[Guest]

Hey, I spoke to Janine a while ago about ideas of reference and they really freak me out and crap me off!!!!! Lately it's been bit more worse and it's like having someone constantly trying to get your attention or something....It's wherever i go- but the intensity of it freaks me out!!!! I cope by thought blocking kinda...i know it's not OCD although some of it is kinda obsessive but i think it might be a mild psychosis??? I'm scared to try an AP :S :S :S IT'S DRIVING ME MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Guest]

You might as well start typing out a lengthy defintion of "ideas of reference" because you're going to be getting hundreds of desperate questions any minute now, lol....

THAT IS OBSESSIVE (and it is very much like an OCD symptom). And you will see very shortly that you invoked the same inner fears of others with the post - people will now NEED to know precisely what "i of r" really means - and they will start asking themselves if they "have" it too.

That's what is wrong with us, lol...we're mental hypochrondriacs and we are relentless - normal people could say "oh, that's really scaring sounding" and then turn their attention elsewhere. We go INTO the horror - almost in a masochistic stance. We try to "befriend" the demon instead of getting the heck out of there.

Most obsessives have ideas of reference at some time or other.

There is, however, NOTHING I can say to reassure you. You'll have to turn your focus away from the fears, and you will STILL "see" things for a bit - things with meaning or signs. Ignore them.

Somethign IS "trying to get your attention" - it's your symptoms, trying to lure you away from real life and back into your own head.

 

[Phill]

In a way it's good that us dpers think more about life, death, and issues related because it might mean there's more chance of finding the answers to such issues. I know some questions have no answers, but some do.

 

[Scattered]

As much as I'd like for there to be answers I don't think there are any. I pace around my room obsessively thinking about these things, losing touch with myself and with reality. I can't keep track of time or concentrate when I get into these obsessive ruminations. It causes me pain to think about it and I believe that it should be an issue of having faith or simply not thinking about it as much and using that to focus on your life here and now. The more we think about these things the less we are alive in the moment. The less we are in the moment, the greater the DP is and the thoughts associated with it.

 

[skEwb]

I know this one too.... about existing, mortality, being, death.
brrrrrrr

and I just heard on the television (in a traveling program about Mayas) that the Mayas were till now right with the calculations of sundarkening. And they calculated that the world and existing is going to end in 2012....

thanks for feeding my obsessions...

I have heard this forecast before when I was younger (for the year 199... and 199..., can't remember) and all those years I was in fear....and till now it never happened, so let's hope....

This reminds me of one of my fav bands (hed) planet earth the song is called "Ken 2012"

You see me running
But you don't know what
I'm running from my own weakness

Come on I've got to speak this truth
When I'm losin my direction
I run that self-inspection
I learn my lessons well

Yo, I fell hard you see me gettin up
I'm fucking up adversity
In a temporary state of clarity
Hmmm, life is a parody, paradox
Enigma I shed that skin with the stigma
Roll on to the next day

Confusin all my critics with these topics
Various versatile, universal satirical
Analytical, personal, political
You cynical MCs, you can't see these rhymes
Comin' with reason
My eyes are open wide

The havenots keep hopin'
My words are spoken
The chosen will someday be broken
and see how their Gods have all fallen

You don't understand why it's so damn easy
Can't understand why it's so fuckin easy
So how you like it like it now

Yeah yeah right, whatever, whatever
Well Mr. Fucking know-it-all
He's got all the answers
Knows all about the "industry"
He ain't shit to me

I got skills yo
I'm the contender
I'll rock your party till the motherfuckin roof come in
Yeah, it's on fire
Burn like that pussy in da morning
Had all night to simmer
Young girl wake up, the dick be in her, already

I was fuckin when she had her first barbie
Easy bake oven, she was pissin in her panties
Ain't shit she can do that ain't been done
Ain't nothin wrong with you girl
I ain't the one...

Yeah come on, but you can't understand why it's so damn easy
Can't understand why it's so fuckin easy
So how you like it like it now

You can't understand why it's so damn easy
Can't understand why it's so fuckin easy
You can't understand why, why, why

I tried the way
The way was not mine
If I get lost don't try to find me
My kind got left behind

Yeah so how you gonna
Show me the way when it's not mine
How you gonna show me the way
When your ass is blind

Your way, one way, but not mine
I'd rather be left behind
Where is your salvation
When will it come?
Wrong

How does it feel...how does it feel now
How does it feel...how does it feel
Punks jump up to get beat
punks jump up to get beat down

So many tried to make me feel like an outcast
Put me to the test
Yo again, I pass

Check out the flying colors
All the sisters and brothers by my side
Still we ride with pride
U N I T Y

That's what calls me, same destination
We keep our salvation within
Givin' all that I got for the future
knowin that my journey yo will never be over
I already told ya with them loops that we flowed ya
Knowledge, wisdom, and experience can mold ya
Hold on to your mom's and your soul
Yes ya stay true to yourself
All else will follow ya

This brother's goin deep...a little deeper
Just another man with a plan and a seed we can grow
I'll let you know just who and what I am

So what the fuck do they want from me?
Why do they fuck with me
The hednigga is just another human being
Got my head up in the sky, walkin feet above the ground
Oh yes much pussy to the left
Pendejos to the right of me

Who think they know it
Yeah I tried the way
But the way was not mine
I tried the way the way was not mine
Your way, one way, but not mine
Now let's see who gets left behind, come on

How does it feel, how does it feel
How does it feel, how does it feel
Punks jump up to get beat punks jump up to get beat down
Punks jump up to get beat punks jump up to get beat down

Another song 2012 related "IFO"

Somewhere, somehow, somewhen
We'll see it happen again, my friend
A simple visitation gone wrong like back in '47
Only this time we'll be on the scene like Kent Brockman
Or Sam Donaldson live in New Mexico

But now you can't fool us
Now you can't lie or deny so much
It's obvious why none of us trust you
How does a flying disc turn into a weather balloon
How long did you think you could trick us with lies?

Can't put a cover on the skies
Can't hide that face or those big black eyes
So how you gonna put a cover up on the skies?
Realize, I'm not surprised at your deception
Correction, I welcome the challenge to intercept it

The message loud and clear
You think we fear it
Reverse it
Me and mine we will embrace it
So face it
I got the 411
I got the CNN
We on-line
TV and me - we kin

My click is the mandelbrot set
My crops lie unbroken
Your hoaxes, a feeble attempt
Circle perfect, bring the revelation
Your realization far too many videotapes to go around erasin'

This ain't no J.F.K.
Check the I.F.O.- out the box
Fresh like sightings on FOX
Documenting the coming of the chariots

Gods in the making, no more jiving
No more fakin' the real
How long did you think you could trick us with lies
Tricks are for punks
Can't hide the face or those deep black eyes
How you gonna put a cover-up on the skies?

Take me to your leader
He don't even know you
We the ****** of earth
Got to show you

The peckerwoods can't stand the sight of the Africans
What are they gonna do when they face off with a gray man
Prepare to meet your maker in the skies over the pyramids
Check stonehenge
Go ask the Mayans
2012 soon come

I will be waitin' sayin' I told you so
When the skies are ripped open
And the mothership lands on your cynical ass
Maybe then you will believe and concede
That you can't hide the sun

Can't hide the moon
Can't keep some secrets so big
Yes, the truth must transcend
And when it does, my friend I will be chillin' by the TV
Rockin' with CNN
Yeah, my bong in hand
Surrounded by friends
When the world as we know it will end