[brightmorningstar]

Hello everyone, I know what I'm going to tell you may sound new age stuff or bullshit. But I know there are so many desperate people trying to fix their lives with the situation of DP/DR, so I hope some of you will try this and maybe get some relief or results.

First of all I lived with DP/DR and many mental problems on an off through my whole life, I am 23 years old, quite succesful person in an academical sense, but you know the rest(emotional and personal aspect of life sucked, it is all behind now). Anway I had a big state of blank mind, I believe most of the people of with DP/DR surpress their thoughts and feelings UNINTENTIONALLY. Becareful, you may say no I don't do that shit, or you might say oh my mind is blank how can this be happen! Well most of the people also already don't see their thoughts clearly(normal people) I'm not saying they are blank minded like we are, but they don't see them as we don't see them, this is the unawareness of thoughts, also you can supress them while being unaware, because of past conditioned traumas you could developed a defence mechanism that you are inclined to supress any thought, dream, emotions when they show in your subconcious mind, the only way out through is noticing whenever you do that and use truly authentical acceptance(this shit is harder than you think). If you have self doubt issues, low energy, depression, anger, numbness, no emotions except hate, big loath for yourself and others. This might be the issue. If this phase didn't resonate with you I'll give the voojo stuff in the next paragraph.

Secondly, this is where I'm gonna go weird for the cure/relief. There is a point in your body called Dantian/Dantien, below 2 inches naval point, also named as Hara, this is an energy point which used in taoist and chinese and all energy traditions. There are many spiritual and energetical explanations about this point and many metaphors, but I don't go into detail. Hara-kiri also comes from there. Actual meaning of harakiri is not just killing your self but killing yourself from your main energy point to extunguish your soul from earth. Anyway besides rambling about spirituality and history, this is the point which they say you will feel your BEING the most(which people with DP, feel lack of sense of self, this practice takes you to the opposite, takes you to feeling your being most strongly). After doing a lot of research and trying also myself. This is the point which they call your CENTER(centering comes from focusing on hara ). So you will ask me, how this is related to DP/DR. When you center your all energy or attention (they call it chi, prana etc whatever this is not important for us) on this point, you feel a sense of groundedness, a sense of safety and a safe of belonging to your true self and besides all of these your blank mind and emotional numbness may lift and maybe your perception could change. I invite you all try this. I know it all sounds hippy-dippy, but from a logical perspective it is not that stupid. Because it takes you to the opposite of all DP/DR symptomps. This can be done by making this practice as a meditation, but it is simply a centering. Anyone who is interested in this practice might give a comment so I can explain more about this and how you can do this, or you might search from this online and ask questions here. I advise you to not be so prejudical about this. I know there are many people in search of a logical answer, but sometimes the answer or the help needed are not necessarily logical, but simple and a stupid one. Good day.

 

[mana_war]

I think you are over estimating how critical people here will be of spiritual ideas.

But yeah, I would love for you to explain more of the process. It's worth a shot right?

 

[Phantasm]

Hi brightmorningstar. I found this link, is this the practice you mean?

https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newTCS_83.htm

 

[brightmorningstar]

Hello guys

http://naturallysavvy.com/blog/hara-meditation

https://oshosammasati.org/meditation/hara-awareness-breath/

According to the first link I've sent, people who also breaks bricks or do any stunts in martial arts, takes the strength of the gravity of the center. that is explained in the link.

Also the link you've sent is useful. But you must really sink in that area and imagine all your bodys energy gathering around that small point, there are some instructions in the links. What you gotta do is, you need to feel that your center is in your belly, or in the navel area, even during the day. Like you should act while knowing that your center is in your belly area(hara), not in your head or not having a center. For an example, you are walking towards a friend you didn't see in a long time, and you get a little bit anxious to what to say, but there is only 5 seconds to handshaking and you're walking towards him, while you walking you don't get lost in shitstorm(you put your some attention into your hara or belly while walking), you know you have a center , and that is located in the hara area, you take strength from it and a sense of safety and security. While doing this for a time I believe you can strengten your sense of self, with time it should show up when there is enough safety and security feelings in your mind and body. I'm not a professor or I have any degrees. When I tried this I experienced a real stillnes and quiteness in the air but after the practice my blank mind was fulled with thoughts and dreams and I tasted what it feels like to feel a strong sense of self, you may feel nausase at first but it is ok. The ones who give it a try please write it here so we can discuss or talk about it.

 

[yoloking123]

Im definitely gonna try it cuz it really does make sense to me. Hopefully i feel what you felt.

 

[Broken]

I have tried this before with some good results. But it didn't last, perhaps I need to try it again. I did notice tension in the belly releasing, almost a spasm. Have u noticed this? I do think that breathing is related to dpd as it commonly starts with a panic attack. The question is how and what to do

 

[brightmorningstar]

- Hello it's me again, as far as my experiments go, DP/DR caused by disconnection with the body, disconnection with the body is equal to disconnection with the Self and the emotions correlated with the Self, this disconnection happened when we got impacted by childhood traumas or big stressful crysises and we tried to solve them or repressed them with our thinking aka mind, so what is left to us was solely our mind, and mind itself was not enough for full range of life, that is why most of us here logical thinkers, intellectuals, harsh realists but not empathetic feeling people.

- The body shut down the feeling system to survive. So most of us live in a survival mode, DP/DR and also Dissociation is the side effect of that mode, everything is dulled, nothing is vibrant, system works on a low-efficient mode to survive. Actually I believe most of the mental ilnesses caused by the unprocessed traumas in the body. When we are disconnected from the body these daily tensions stay unprocessed and they get stuck in the body, and these tension cause traumas in the brain and the body because they left stuck, so they cause many mental problems, like depression, DP, DR, Dissociation, anxiety, anger, etc etc. Freud also proposed that depression is an inward, internal anger/hate which explains the same unexpressed or unprocessed emotions.

- What did I experiment is that, there is a fucked up thing going on, when a feeling or feelingy thing appears in body, my awareness goes away tries to run away from it(you can notice it if you only so closely pay attention, you escape from your body without knowing it). After I put my attention to my body and being fully there and let my self to feel anything what is in there. There is a big tension and traumatic responses coming up, these are baggage because you don't allowed to feel anything, so repressed feelings appears as tension in your body and traumatize your body, your body shows you how to drop these if you allow it yourself and put your attention so closely, if you succesfully accept them and let them happen without reacting and fully accepting, they go away and you move one level up. After you move one level up, you feel your body is more and more coming to its senses, while its happening you feel your self is gathering your power back. But I believe this is a process and it needs work, a work that requires all your attention, you need to understand your body this is the key to it, whenever a tension or feeling appears during the day you must feel it with all your acception, but aware of intention of supression. That is an instinct we have. This is fucking up us.

-The hara meditation(the technique I gave you is a quick release, if you're so far away from the body and mostly living up in your mind, start with it for a while and become grounding, what I've been telling you on this comment is body tension releasing, and feeling what is in there, this is the main component to achieve body feeling sensations.

SIDE NOTE= grounding is so important here guys, you must go to the nature and actually feel your whole weight supported by earth all means, you can also do this at home at various times, you must feel your all weight is on your feet and feel the connection between ground and your feet, feel how you are supported by the earth, and feel safe, feel secured by it.

I've wrote a lot, I'm here to talk and guide to people if any of this make sense to you. I'm also in the process, blank mind is getting weaker everyday, and numbness is sometimes go away and sometimes comes, the feeling of sense of self is getting stronger, but it all needs to worked out. These things won't happen by alone. Also you need to accept the situation and the negative words of your mind when they say nothing is real I can't feel anything, you gotta believe that you will FEEL and you will SEE real, and the outer world is REAL, you got so much to work on.

 

[yume]

Thank you, very informative, I will definitely try this and keep you updated about my progress.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Thank you, very informative, I will definitely try this and keep you updated about my progress.

You're welcome, I can't wait to hear from you!

 

[Vexet]

How is your mind-blankness and emotional numbness going? I'm way to afraid of meditating after I got to this state after meditation lol. Basically I feel nothing and have no thoughts, prior to that I felt almost everything and had 1000 thoughts.

 

[brightmorningstar]

How is your mind-blankness and emotional numbness going? I'm way to afraid of meditating after I got to this state after meditation lol. Basically I feel nothing and have no thoughts, prior to that I felt almost everything and had 1000 thoughts.

hey what kind of meditation you did, and how long and what happened? I think I can help you, I crossed that point in meditation also, and trying to balance it, learned few tricks in the way. I think I can help if you give me the information.

 

[Vexet]

hey what kind of meditation you did, and how long and what happened? I think I can help you, I crossed that point in meditation also, and trying to balance it, learned few tricks in the way. I think I can help if you give me the information.

Well you didn't answer my question... My question is, do you still have the mind-blankness and emotional numbness (lack of motivation as well)?

How I got into it? I medidated 12 days in a row, and then i noticed my mind going more quiet and quiet, and I noticed gaps between thoughts n, and suddently I got afraid of it and boom, mindblankness happened, tried tons of grounding methods it helped a little bit, but still same shit. Also I went from complete anxiety to no anxiety now, It's as if I don't care about anything anymore. Also don't bring up everything about spirituality, trust me... Been there...

 

[brightmorningstar]

Well you didn't answer my question... My question is, do you still have the mind-blankness and emotional numbness (lack of motivation as well)?

How I got into it? I medidated 12 days in a row, and then i noticed my mind going more quiet and quiet, and I noticed gaps between thoughts n, and suddently I got afraid of it and boom, mindblankness happened, tried tons of grounding methods it helped a little bit, but still same shit. Also I went from complete anxiety to no anxiety now, It's as if I don't care about anything anymore. Also don't bring up everything about spirituality, trust me... Been there...

Seems like you're a young person and don't know shit. If you think 12 day meditation caused you it, it's not, you just made it by overthinking about it. Just quit meditating and go weight some things and try to live life as if nothing happened. You can't do anything wrong at 12 day meditation phase, if you did, just drop the practice and everything would come back, but you gotta stop thinking about it. It looks like you ruminate on this.

 

[TDX]

The literature on side-effects of meditation is scarce, but it strongly suggests that meditation can have severe side-effects, that can be permanent, including depersonalization disorder. While this was frequently observed among so-called "retreats", where people meditated excessively for several days, weeks or even months, relatively low doses were found to carry that risk as well.

 

[Phantasm]

The literature on side-effects of meditation is scarce, but it strongly suggests that meditation can have severe side-effects, that can be permanent, including depersonalization disorder. While this was frequently observed among so-called "retreats", where people meditated excessively for several days, weeks or even months, relatively low doses were found to carry that risk as well.

Depends what you're doing - meditation is a broad term. If you're vulnerable to mental health issues and contemplating abstract philosophies then you're likely to freak yourself out as with any form of existential thinking, and I always advise people to avoid doing this, but if you're doing simple relaxing meditations that are only about being present and grounded in the here-and-now then it can be very positive and therapeutic.

 

[TDX]

You are wrong. A broad spectrum of meditation techniques were tied to unfavorable outcomes, including the mindfulness meditation you are referring to as "very positive and therapeutic":

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0176239

 

[Phantasm]

You are wrong. A broad spectrum of meditation techniques were tied to unfavorable outcomes, including the mindfulness meditation you are referring to as "very positive and therapeutic":

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0176239

Well, I only skimmed it, but I didn't see anything that contradicted what I said. here's a quote from your article:

Non-representative sample.

The study deliberately sampled meditators who had challenging meditation experiences that are often under-reported. Thus the 100% frequency of challenging experiences is an artifact of sampling and not a reflection of the actual frequency among Western Buddhist meditators.

 

[TDX]

It shows that several meditation techniques can cause severe side-effects, including the most popular ones, which contradicts your post. The fact that they have chosen people who had side-effects only means that the study cannot allow conclusions about how common such side-effects are.

 

[Phantasm]

It shows that several meditation techniques can cause severe side-effects, including the most popular ones, which contradicts your post. The fact that they have chosen people who had side-effects only means that the study cannot allow conclusions about how common such side-effects are.

Quote:

Relevance to meditation-based programs and centers

The current study did not directly investigate meditation-related difficulties in mindfulness-based interventions (MBIs).

 

[TDX]

Maybe you should have continued to read after that sentence:

"The current study did not directly investigate meditation-related difficulties in mindfulness-based interventions (MBIs). Although some practitioners in our study engaged in types of meditation practices (e.g., visualization), in contexts (e.g., long term retreat), and with motivations (e.g., attainment of religious goals) quite different from MBIs, a number of participants also reported challenging or difficult experiences under similar conditions as MBIs, that is: in the context of daily practice; while meditating less than 1 hour per day, or within the first 50 hours of practice; and with an aim of health, well-being or stress-reduction. Some types of practice associated with challenging meditation experiences were in many cases not dissimilar from the primary components of MBIs. Many practitioners in our study reported difficulties associated with concentration practices (focused attention-type practices such as mindfulness of breathing), or insight practices (open monitoring-type practices), or a combination thereof [25, 159]. "