[RedCaineForNova]

my dp/dr /anxiety has gotten better over the past week. ive taken advice from some people here by just concentrating on somthing other than worrying, it works.

but today somthing scary/wierd happened, its happened a couple times the past few weeks but not as bad. So today i was just sitting reading the new harry potter book ! and then i decided to go to the bathroom so i stood up really quickly, i stretched, and i felt like i was going to pass out, my vision quickly got blury and i everything was going white, i felt very dizzy. id really like to know what happened cause it was scary and i felt like im going to pass out and lose consiousness.

 

[bright23]

You stood up too quickly, blood rushed to your head, and you almost passed out. All human beings experience this.

 

[RedCaineForNova]

thank god i thought there was somthign wrong. thanks for your respond.

 

[mulder]

Blimey, how many years has it been that you've never experienced this? I've had it happen regularly for as long as I can remember.

On a similar note, I dunno if it's the hot weather or lack of sleep, but yesterday I woke up, sat up in bed and the whole room went round like I was really drunk for a couple of mins. I laid back down, and it started again, then I sat up again and it happened again. The dizzy feeling got better but didn't go away all day! And, I've still got it today. The worst thing about it is that it came on after a really good night out, where I hardly felt bad at all. It's always the way with this, you think you're getting better, then WHAM!

 

[Sojourner]

Something IS "wrong."

We are all dying.

Nobody knows how much time is left.

Some of us might die today.

If that scares you, good! It's a fact: one day, you will die.

Now respond to it intelligently.

 

[Scattered]

Thats kind of funny. In a morbid, out of place, yet still true kind of way.

 

[bright23]

I don't think there's anything "wrong" about dying. There's no reason to fear it because we all go through it. ALL. Every living being. Its the most common fundamental experience there is along with birth (I don't kow the technical term for plant birth, is there one, seeding? any horticulturists around to help out.)

Fearing death keeps us stuck in neurotic habitual patterns. We therefore settle for far less in life. We settle for things that keep us occupied so we don't have time to ponder and fear death and its human analogue ? failure.

Tibetan monks are required to spend time overnight, sometimes for weeks in high mountain graveyards all alone. Anyone ever heard descriptions of a tibetan graveyard?... lets just say they don't bury under the ground and they don't cremate, they let nature take care of death, naturally. The whole point is to address directly the monk's natural fear of his own death and physical disintegration. So that he may eventually break through to full psychological freedom from all aspects of fear.

There's a quote from pioneer Carl Jung, in essense it goes something like this... "What is the greatest achievement of a man's (woman's) life? What moment are we directed towards? The peak. Pinnacle. The absolute achievement?"

Embrace your own guaranteed demise. Just surrender to it. Embrace not knowing what will happen after. When you can accomplish this, you can do whatever you want with your life and you will be free of every neurosis and psychological constraint. I say this as much to myself as to anyone else.

Eliminate all fear, that is the challenge life poses for us. Death is THE fundamental fear. Paradoxically I think the experience of DP can help us individually solve this riddle.

Okay all this sounds silly and pretentious but a deep part of me really believes this.

 

[Sojourner]

I don't think there's anything "wrong" about dying.

Oh, come on, bright. You know what I meant. And if you don't, you are not as :idea: as you claim to be.

 

[Sojourner]

Thats kind of funny. In a morbid, out of place, yet still true kind of way.

Do you really think it's out of place to have made that "joke"? The "worry" people have here is always about one single thing -- that they are dying; that was the gist of what RedCaineForNova was saying in his/her post. The "joke" is that we ARE DYING. Tee hee. :lol:

Inside a joke, though, is always a truth.

 

[Sojourner]

I don't think there's anything "wrong" about dying. There's no reason to fear it because we all go through it. ALL. Every living being. Its the most common fundamental experience there is along with birth (I don't kow the technical term for plant birth, is there one, seeding? any horticulturists around to help out.)

Fearing death keeps us stuck in neurotic habitual patterns. We therefore settle for far less in life. We settle for things that keep us occupied so we don't have time to ponder and fear death and its human analogue ? failure.

Tibetan monks are required to spend time overnight, sometimes for weeks in high mountain graveyards all alone. Anyone ever heard descriptions of a tibetan graveyard?... lets just say they don't bury under the ground and they don't cremate, they let nature take care of death, naturally. The whole point is to address directly the monk's natural fear of his own death and physical disintegration. So that he may eventually break through to full psychological freedom from all aspects of fear.

There's a quote from pioneer Carl Jung, in essense it goes something like this... "What is the greatest achievement of a man's (woman's) life? What moment are we directed towards? The peak. Pinnacle. The absolute achievement?"

Embrace your own guaranteed demise. Just surrender to it. Embrace not knowing what will happen after. When you can accomplish this, you can do whatever you want with your life and you will be free of every neurosis and psychological constraint. I say this as much to myself as to anyone else.

Eliminate all fear, that is the challenge life poses for us. Death is THE fundamental fear. Paradoxically I think the experience of DP can help us individually solve this riddle.

Okay all this sounds silly and pretentious but a deep part of me really believes this.

Bright,

I think that was an excellent post, actually. It was just your failure to get how I was using "wrong" in my post. I should have put "wrong" inside quotation marks.

I agree with everything you say, but of course, like you, and even though I have religious faith, I still struggle with that. Life may well be a series of acts of surrender. Few of us can do it in one sitting. :roll:

 

[bright23]

I took your quote about death as a lead off, not as an opportunity to attack you, but that's how you took it. Would you like to respond to the rest of my post "intelligently" or just name call me stupid?

 

[Sojourner]

Well, yes, you intended your first line to be an "attack" on what I said. Just look at its content! Look at the quotation marks around "wrong." You were definitely attacking my use of the word "wrong" -- now that I think about it, I think it would have been a mistake for me to have put quotation marks around "wrong" in the "joke" itself, which of course was not a joke at all, but dead serious.

In the context of the joke, in the context of the primary worry on this message board, dying IS wrong. That's the point. My "strategy" (gosh, I'm going quote-crazy) was to show that what we are so worried about and what we are trying to constantly assure ourselves is not happening at this moment, is one day going to definitely happen. It's so easy to forget that -- after all, that's the whole schtick that we call "DP."

Let me give you a permanent disclaimer: I do not think you are stupid, despite the stupid remarks I may make. I think you are highly intelligent.

 

[bright23]

Okay, you got to it before I did. I appreciate you acknowledgement.

 

[Sojourner]

I wonder if I start tiffs sometimes just in order to have the pleasure of making up. Boy, am I a case, or what? :twisted:

 

[bright23]

"Yes. Definitely "'a case.'"

(" ")

""brief"" or """basket?"""

 

[Guest]

I wonder if I start tiffs sometimes just in order to have the pleasure of making up. Boy, am I a case, or what? :twisted:

YOU GOT IT, SOJOURNER!! (although in your "case" I think its a little more complex, but admitted, its a START!) I thought 'my, is she ever gonna see this?'
But you DO. Congrats. Now what are you going to DO with this insight, huh? Curious!

 

[Sojourner]

LOL, Wendy,

You know, it usually happens when I have something useful to say but can only manage to say it in a way that is lacking in gentleness and sensitivity to the needs of others.

I don't know what to do about it, actually. Part of me feels that gentleness and obliqueness doesn't get the attention of the reader and that sometimes one has to use the rhetorical device of shock to get a point across.

The following have totally different impacts:

A - I wonder if you've considered the possibility that perhaps you may be attributing to your friend a motive that she really doesn't have and that maybe you're not being entirely fair in your conclusions.

B - When did you become omniscient? That's your problem: you cannot live without believing that you are God -- that you have the ability to know the minds and hearts of other people.

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Soj is just "not A" -- She thinks that A is something that the person has become adept at not really hearing at all. The older she gets, the more she realizes that waking people up by sternness is often the best strategy.

And the more time she spends here on this message board, the more she thinks this and other similar message boards may sometimes serve to perpetuate the very suffering that people come here seeking relief from.

Some days, she restrains herself from writing in response to someone who wants to know if anyone else feels a certain way, "No, I haven't felt that, but I have felt that I would like to bring one of the little green men who visit me at the beach home to meet my mom and dad. But I think they may prefer the purple women I brought two weeks ago. These girls really liked my mom's turkey ice cream and wanted to eat it all day long."

 

[Sojourner]

"Yes. Definitely "'a case.'"

(" ")

""brief"" or """basket?"""

Maybe a "precedent"?

 

[Guest]

The older she gets, the more she realizes that waking people up by sternness is often the best strategy.
And the more time she spends here on this message board, the more she thinks this and other similar message boards may sometimes serve to perpetuate the very suffering that people come here seeking relief from.

I get what you mean. But think of this: what is more important to you: getting the Contents of your message across or the Way you get your message across.
If its the first, you certainly need to change the second.
Have you looked at the results of your 'sternness'on this board? What do they tell you? Does it work?

 

[bright23]

The silence is deafening.