[andymania]

I did some research about the Church of Scientology after finding out Tom Crusie was a devote member of. No wonder he denounces psychiatry since it is the Church's no.1 enemy. I stumbled upon this great site which tries to inform the public about the dangers of this Church, and that it posts many many secret documents ( including many written by hand from L.Ron Hubbard himself).

All I can say is that this religion/philosophy is just as dangerous as it claims psychology and psychiatry to be.

What a load of sci-fi crap. And off course there is some sort of a deal between the church and all these stupid celebs that are members.

Anyway, yes psychology/psychiatry has a long ways to go before it solves and solidifies any claims. However to say that psychiatry/psychology is a pseudo science is quite effrontery.

All sciences started out as hypotheses, and went through an abudant amount of trial and error before any kind of fact could be declared. This is what is going on with these Anti-depressants. There are side-effects which can be very bad for some and we truly do not know if they can cause some permanent changes. However this is the price you have to pay for science. Without mistakes there can be no progress. Yes, I understand that the pharmaceutical companies make big $$$ of these drugs and probably want people to be depressed, anxious, etc however to give such a label to all the millions of psychologists, researchers who are doing all this work just because of the few big drug companies is an insult. Im sure that there are plenty of researchers/psychologists who really are passionate about there work and want to make a difference.

There are many theories in astronomy and many facts that need to be sought out, yet we do not dare to call it a pseudo-science.

You need to start somewhere and starting with chemical imbalances starts like a good starting point,

-Andy

 

[Martinelv]

Amen to that !

 

[[rula]]

Even within the psychology vs. psychiatry field, the theory of "chemical imbalance" is hugely debated. that doesn't make psychologist scientologist btw :wink: and even when one is willing to accept that theory, then there's still the question of which came first the chicken or the egg. Do our emotions cause the chemical imbalance, or is the chemical imbalance causing our negative emotions?

theories are great, yes, wonderful starting point. but in astronomy you don't start launching ppl into space before you have facts. in psychiatry however, millions of ppl launch their brain into space daily despite being told that maybe only 30-40% might benefit, the rest might get much worse; you might have to go through a series of trial and error before the right med for you is found, and that's gonna add a LOT of stress on you CNS, and of course, those side effects...now that's science i'm not willing to count on. but that's just me.

-ru

 

[dakotajo]

Andy,

why dont you lay off on the scientology stuff. Nobody is debating that its a bunch of bs. I think we can all agree on that.

Youre going to get a an arguement tho when you try to compare psychiatry to science. How scientific is a profession that literally votes in disease titles and treats them with drugs that have absolutely no proven mechanism?

I dont agree that this is a science that is slowly advancing. The only thing I see advancing is their marketing strategies.

Not until they can prove their diseases and have a full understanding of how their drugs work, will I ever consider any of this a science. Until then I only consider it greed and wrecklessness.

Joe

 

[Dreamland]

Scientolgists need to be publically flogged with a large piece of prosciutto ham, tar and feathered like they did in the American west, and then paraded through the streets of NYC with everyone pointing fingers and laughing at them like the ancient "walk of shame". All Scientology headquarters will susbsequently turned into convention centers for "trekkies", or Star Trek nerds as they're also known, and playgrounds for Dungeons and Dragons misfits.

 

[Scattered]

Perhaps you have some issues you haven't worked out yet.

 

[Dreamland]

Lighten up scattered!!!! Don't take it all so serious. If I offended you, please let me make it up by inviting you take a lovely dinner at Wolfgang Puck's five star restaurant, followed by a Gondola ride down Newport Harbor, and finally a hot Turkish steam bath.

 

[terri*]

What a waste of a lovely, and expensive, piece of prosciutto. :shock:

Howza bout we try a solid piece of cheap baloney?

:lol:

 

[M A R S]

what to know what is realy crazy THIS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

"In Scientology doctrine, Xenu is a galactic ruler who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth, stacked them around volcanoes, and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together and stuck to the bodies of the living, and continue to cause people problems today. These events are known to Scientologists as "Incident II," and the traumatic memories associated with them as The Wall of Fire or the R6 implant. The story of Xenu is part of a much wider range of Scientology beliefs in extraterrestrial civilizations and alien interventions in Earthly events, collectively described by L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology, as space opera."

"75 million years ago, Xenu was the ruler of a Galactic Confederacy which consisted of 26 stars and 76 planets including Earth, which was then known as Teegeeack. The planets were overpopulated, each having on average 178 billion people. The Galactic Confederacy's civilization was comparable to our own, with people "walking around in clothes which looked very remarkably like the clothes they wear this very minute" and using cars, trains and boats looking exactly the same as those "circa 1950, 1960" on Earth."

 

[Dreamland]

Wow...totally bitchin"!!!! Sounds like those Japanese monster movies I used to watch as a kid, with Ultraman and clan of other Ultramen(Ultra 7, Ultraman Tiga, Ultraman Jack) coming back to earth to work with the Monster Task Force stationed in Tokyo. Or the Epic battles between Mecha-Godzilla vs. Ghidorah/Rodan/Gigan.

 

[grandma-stole-my-wheels]

Scientology probably does suck because it seems to complicate and make people even less likely to still consider that psychiatry makes huges mistakes in its pill dispensing and makes it even harder for the people who have been hurt not helped by psychiatry to have a voice of opinion still.

Engendering the unfair stereotype that if you have views, which are anti-psychiatry not just always politically correct, and (pro-psychiatry) that you are just a minority cult or going to be put in a certain reject box scientologist or not, isn't helpful for victims of it.

What about when tardive 'akathisia' drives someone into having suicidal feelings, worse still 'causes' them to attempt to put themselves out the indescribable pain their in and feeling within their spinal column,
when it activates on neuroleptics, or SSRI's?

Even though it can be treated, this condition/side effect is almost denied being a possible reality, within mainstream psychiatry. Is it then not even more unfair, when someone still has apparently to respect the status of a psychiatrist, otherwise to be ridiculed or possibly called a scientologist or oddity,

on the merits of a psychiatric doctor being intellectual and therefore correct on everything involving their subject, even though being incapable of realising that not everyone, not half as many as publicised reacts to these things in a tangibly benefitting way, and it sometimes costs the patients life.

The fact that this person may have been to medical school for over 10 years, and still doesn't seemingly have a clue about what they are doing, when making people extremely disturbed from the specific side effects of these meds sometimes, is why it is scarier still.

http://www.breggin.com/31-49.pdf

Grandma.

 

[Martinelv]

(Disclaimer:#764744)

As I have a bellyfull of chemo and a split in my skull, dare I say......yes, I dare.

I enjoy reading that we all dismiss Scientology (as I do) as ridiculous, dangerous, poppy-cock. But, er, just change a few choice word and you get this......

"In Christian doctrine, Jesus is a galactic ruler who, 2005 years ago, walked around performing miracles and converted billlions of people on earth, stacked unbelievers around pyres, and set them on fire. Their souls then went to somewhere called 'hell', joined up with a fallen angel called 'Satan' and continue to cause people problems today. These events are known to Christians as Sin. The story of Jesus is part of a much wider range of Christian beliefs in an loving god, collectively described by hundreds of different people who never knew, saw, or heard of Jesus."

Woof.

 

[M A R S]

That's funny but not right, Jesus never set fires.

You would have been able to make it sound more insane.

Adam and Eve and the rib thing.

How the ark had only 2 of every animal and now we have a world full of diverse creatures.

How the world was made in 6 days.

How god HATES gays

How George Bush is doing "Gods" work.

 

[dakotajo]

All religions were created because of mans fear of the unknown. Im guilty of being a bit spiritual at times but in my opinon anybody who simply accepts the current religions as "gospel" is a f-f-f-f-f-f-ool.

 

[[rula]]

I personally love the new updated 21st century version of "God", scientologist, Nuwabian, Raelian, whatever...it's all the same basic concept, no different from what we have now. Some Entity(s) whose mailing address is not on planet earth created us and put us here to follow his/their rules. at least the Nuwabians have a nifty video that gosh darn just explains everything...

http://www.nuworldorder.com

 

[Guest]

How, just how can you diagnose a person with a disease in a mere 15-30 minutes, which is exactly what psychiatrists do? It is impossible to know what is going on. The psychiatrist is playing the guessing game and he or she doesn't have a clue to whether or not the problem has originated in the brain, the stomach, the thyroid etc... Feelings of anxiety and depression may not even be chemical imbalances in the brain completely. They could be caused by an overly toxic body , hormones, low liver function, bad nutrtional habits etc...Psychiatrists never ask about what you eat, your lifestyle habits, or even check other parts of your body for dysfunction..It cannot be denied that it is all guess work and that is a very dangerous when it comes to the human body. No doubt some people get relief, but there is also no doubt that thousands get debilitating side effects that lead to death and debilitation.

Yes, the church of science is probably a crock of shit. I have not read into what they believe, so I cannot further comment. However, Cruise was right in his sayings about how chemical imbalances are not valid. I totally agree with him there & would gladly support him in a rally against psychiatry.

 

[Guest]

My, my. What have we here? Someone who's been to each and every psychiatrist and knows everything that each of them does. Who knew such genius existed here on this lowly flotsam in the middle of the Internet?

 

[Guest]

Shutup. I never said I was a genius. However, I have been to 5 psychiatrists and have corresponded with thousands of people all over the web and my community who have been to psychiatrists and I ask them of their experience and it's the same everytime..."15 minutes and a pill."

 

[dakotajo]

Will,

Your reply was lousy.

 

[grandma-stole-my-wheels]

Will do you have the 'Power' to give a more expansive and a response which has constructive purpose?

+ what does flotsam mean please?

Grandma!!!!