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In Topic: Why meditation should be taught in school

08 May 2019 - 03:59 PM

The adverse effects of Western Meditation could stem from being introduced to it in adulthood, when the brain is either almost fully or is fully developed. And having not been introduced to Mindfulness while still growing into an adult. I feel that if one was introduced to meditation earlier on in life, the negative outcomes would be far far less pronounced.

My curt one world reply was about how life in general is always a risk for depersonalization/suicide. Look at this for example: https://www.griffith...ol6.pdf#page=48

So we shouldn't let minors play video games or use the internet now?

I'm sure you'd agree that video games and internet usage can potentially induce dissociation and suicidal ideation.

You can't bubble wrap the youth. You can give them tools to handle what may come up in life though. Look, I'm not saying to teach some version of full on Buddhism in depth in schools. Simple 5 minute breathing mindfulness before class isn't going to cause the end of the world.

For now, I'll ignore the deflection and hyperbole, but might respond to it at a later date.

Interestingly, I was introduced to mindfulness as a child. So, based on the limited research available and my own lived experience, I believe your idea, that adverse effects would be reduced by introducing this practice at an early age, is flawed.

In Topic: Why meditation should be taught in school

07 May 2019 - 07:49 AM

Unfortunately meditation can trigger temporary depersonalization in some people and also depersonalization disorder. This has often been tied to transcendental meditation, but "mindfulness of the breath" can also do it. In a research paper they mention various other side-effects:

The knowledge about side-effects of meditation is lacking, but it's clear they exist and they can be severe and lasting. Because of this I'm not sure if it is a good idea to teach it at schools.

Don't think that the link provided is useful now, so adding these two links. They are fairly up to date and bring up some serious issues that really can't be dismissed by anyone with just a curt, one word reply.


In Topic: Why meditation should be taught in school

07 May 2019 - 07:44 AM

I still stand by this. Just as I support the legalization of Marijuana. Especially when used medicinally.

Fortunately, where marijuana has been legalized, legislation has been put into place to protect minors.

In Topic: Why meditation should be taught in school

02 May 2019 - 06:42 AM

Bad idea

here are just two adverse effects of mindfulness practice - depersonalization and suicidal ideation. Do we really want a blanket introduction of this practice in schools, when meditators seem unwilling to discuss these issues?

In Topic: Anyone else?

31 March 2019 - 09:35 AM

Ive had this everynight for over a week. Like most wierd feelings, this is difficult to describe but ill do my best. Basically in order for me to get comfortable to sleep i have my own calming rituals. Tonight, i chose to color in my phone app as coloring is relaxing. But sure enough the wierd confusion and mental imagery started immidetly after closing my eyes. Now heres the wierd thing. Whenever i do something right before sleep, its like my mind still believes im doing it even though ive stopped. As in, when i closed my eyes, i still had mental imagery that i was still coloring. And whenever my mind drifted to other thoughts, it still felt like i was coloring. This happens with anything i do right before bed. If im watching a video, i believe in still watching it even if ive turned it off and will vividly hear the voice of the person speaking in the video still. Not only this but this is all accompanied by severe confusion where i cant tell whether im awake or not untill i fully wake up. Im also very anxious and will jolt awake often, however, the jolt doesnt fully wake me up and im still in a confused and disoriented state and it usually causes a panic attack. Its also accompanied by vertigo and head pressure.

It's possible you're experiencing hypnagogic phenomena during the transition from wakefulness to sleep. It's not something to be unduly concerned about if it's only been happening for a week. it's kind of Interesting that it's mental imagery and auditory stuff that you are experiencing. Don't know if you've heard of the tetris effect but it can occur during the hypnagogic state. The panic attack afterwards, suggests that it's an anxiety issue contributing to the "mind awake- body asleep" state.

Some people actively induce this state because they enjoy the experience or want to encourage lucid dreaming. here's a link to explain: