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esiuol

Member Since 01 Nov 2015
Offline Last Active Oct 27 2018 06:24 PM
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In Topic: Free will

27 October 2018 - 06:27 PM

Hi!
 
i have the exact same issue since i got DP and it's often still hard to deal with this. i spent days researching this topic and most of the time i got convinced that free will really doesn't exist and it made me very anxious, hopeless and nearly suicidal. but (and i hope that gives you at least a little hope) now - 1 year later - it doesn't bother me so much anymore. and i think this is because i started to realize that there are really no final answers to this question. it may be that most of the scientists believe that we don't have any control, but there are also other scientist and philosophers out there. in the end i can decide which concept i want to believe and this should be the concept which makes me feel better.
 
here are a few things which helped me looking at the free will issue from another perspective:
 
Edwin A. Lock -The Illusion of Determinism: https://www.amazon.d... will is causal
 
Jeremy Sherman: https://www.psycholo...ree-will-debate
Steve Taylor: https://www.stevenmt...al-of-autonomy/
 
i have not read this book until now, but i think this might be interesting too: https://www.amazon.d...343AVFRXDD2M6W2
 
i hope this is helpful somehow!
 
and I think chip1021 is absolutely right, in the end it's all about stopping the obsession.



Hi Kalinka!

The thing is, I can very easily just go on in my life and not think about it and have it not bother me, but then when I remember it it's like "oh yeah, my life has no meaning, I'm not in control, nothing means anytbjng" and that's why I wanna resolve the issue and make peace with it somehow, not just ignore it.

In Topic: Free will

15 October 2018 - 01:21 PM

This is a philosophical question that has no meaning in our everyday lives and really no human meaning at all. There’s no difference between free will and the “illusion” of free will, from a human perspective. It is just a debate about how the external world operates, which is of course well beyond our control. It does not matter in the slightest. Remember you a just a product of the universe.


I mean it means a lot to me obviously, that's why I'm asking. And telling someone who's worried about feeling not in control and feeling their life is that... well, that their life IS meaningless really isn't helpful.

In Topic: Free will

13 October 2018 - 07:49 PM

Understood.

Can I ask...does knowing or believing that you no longer possess free will change the way you act? I don't know if I've phrased that well. But have you observed a change in your own behavior since reflecting and coming to a conclusion on free will?


I'm trying not to think about it too much and when I don't think about it I'm able to act normal, but when I remember it I'm filled with anxiety and like a sudden realisation that everything I do isn't literally pointless and I'm not in control and I don't have the right to feel angry or happy when it comes to other people's actions so. Yeah I guess I'm able to act normal, but I'm filled w/ anxiety and dread and hopelessness whenever I do think about it.

In Topic: Free will

11 October 2018 - 11:01 PM

So, for you, then, the only thing that makes life worth living is whether you feel capable of condemning someone for wrong-doing, or praising them for a job well done? Is there nothing else? Enjoying nature, movies, a good book? I mean, I can't enjoy those things anymore, but you said you didn't have that issue with DP/DR anymore, so do those things not make life worth living?


I only used those as examples of what I mean. But life seems pretty pointless if we can't even make decisions, if we're not even in control. If I can't even control my future or my own actions.

In Topic: Free will

11 October 2018 - 09:45 PM

What I mean I is that, facially, we do perceive ourselves as making decisions.

For example, when you ask yourself "why is life living, if there is no free will, then we are all on a predestined path?" Did you really have no choice but to end up at that conclusion? Was it predestined for you to end up believing that life is not worth living? And, most importantly, were you compelled to utter it on this forum, at the precise time that you did, in the manner that you did? At some level the answer to these questions may all be "yes", but I'm sure there were many times you asked yourself "should I respond? Should I wait? Maybe I should sleep on it?" That's what I mean by "on some level" we all make decisions. Because we perceive ourselves, and talk about our life as a series of decisions that we make.

Does that make sense?


I know what you're saying, but this literally still means we have no choice, so yeah, I still feel the same about this just because we think we have a choice it doesn't mean that we do. This is honestly a hopeless case.