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coolwhip27

Member Since 14 Mar 2015
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In Topic: Don't try

10 November 2019 - 09:43 PM

Your brain experiences disassociation however how, as a means of protecting itself.  No, you never willingly adopted it.  But disassociation came onto you as a result of something in your life, and finding the cure is a process only you have the potential to actualize.  That makes the question of responsibility a hard one to behold.


In Topic: Don't try

08 November 2019 - 09:13 AM

When I said thoughts, I meant whatever is taking place in your brain.  My argument was that cognition influences perceptual process, and by disassociating cognitively, perceptual processes are influenced.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I don't disassociate from thoughts, i disassociate because of thoughts.  Thoughts can be triggers  Can anything taken through the five senses alone be a trigger, without any other rhyme or reason to it? 
That is where the argument stops.  My final answer is:  Possibly, in my OPINION, no.  As far as my understanding about MY experience of perceptual impairment goes, the thought that recognizes this sensory perception and labels it intrusive, is the trigger itself. 

In your case, i'm not sure.  I won't tell you that your DP/DR is in your control, as long as you don't tell me that mine isn't.


 


In Topic: Don't try

07 November 2019 - 01:53 PM

"It came on like any disease"
My DP didn't.  Mine came from intrusive thoughts, and that sure as hell was learned.  (OCD)
And just like the human mind, you can't place DP inside a box.  Your disassociation from thoughts, however how, is provoked by neurons.
So no, it's not the same thing as other bodily diseases.  For example, ebola never took place in anyone's brain.
 
"It's a change in attitude"
As far as you can comprehend it is apparently.
 
"You cant decide if anxiety causes you DP/DR if it does"
And why does anxiety give someone DP/DR?  Because anxiety naturally induces it?  No.  So, why?
You said it was something that came on like any disease, but I disagree. As stated before, DP isn't a bodily disease, it's in your head.

I will try to agree to disagree, because this isn't getting anywhere anyway.

In Topic: Don't try

07 November 2019 - 12:45 PM

"It's a biological casual mechanism" 

Were you born with DP?  Lets say it is the "biological casual mechanism" that you speak of, lol.  It's still a learned trait, and my point is that it's not impossible to unlearn.  You react to DP by sweating and a rapid heartbeat, because thats your learned reaction.  If you can somehow passively make your heartbeat rise, why can't you do the opposite?
Seriously though, lets not sit here and pretend like we know every single variable on how the human mind works.  I don't think on models, I don't believe in models.  The human mind is powerful.

I have "untapped" the DP reaction to these triggers before.  How?  I just do it.  Somehow I "accept" these sensations as normal, therefore they don't do anything to me in the background.  If it's a learned reaction, and it's in your brain, who the hell are you to say that it's outside of your control?  How do you feel so justified in your idea that it isn't?  Stop setting limits.

In Topic: Don't try

07 November 2019 - 10:24 AM

Sorry, but DP/DR can't be "self-contained" to the point of having no cause and effect relationship.  Whether or not you're aware of what's happening, is irrelevant.  Learning that is apart of the process.  Wake up


How would your mind un-decide?  I don't know sir, tell me the ways of your mind.  Stop putting the term "mind" in a box.  By BEING your mind, you control it.  And it's up to you to de-couple the relationship between anxiety/thought and it being a trigger.  And that next argument is clearly ridiculous.  Anxiety doesn't GIVE you DP.  Awareness leads to thought. See where i'm going here?  

And now i'm being told I said nothing because the reader is too ignorant about his own disorder to understand.