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#218628 Complex PTSD includes DP as symptom

Posted by pancake on 18 January 2011 - 02:55 PM

Not sure if this has been posted before but there is a subtype of PTSD called complex-PTSD which can contribute to DP and which results from a prolonged environment of stress/abuse/violence.

Child and adolescent symptom cluster
Dissociation - "amnesia, depersonalization, discrete states of consciousness with discrete memories, affect, and functioning, and impaired memory for state-based events"

from: http://en.wikipedia....stress_disorder


There used to be quite a few people with this diagnoses on the board last year.


#218093 Statistics for Recovery

Posted by pancake on 14 January 2011 - 07:05 AM

Cute but most certainly inaccurate.

for example a lot of the accounts here are spam accounts, a lot of people hold more than one account, for most of us there is only so many times you can respond to the same questions (or ask them yourself) before you burn out or are just plain content in the knowledge that you're not alone and your input is out there available to anyone who is up for using the search function and you eventually leave the board (or like me bob up every few months or so).

Very little data on recovery rates and speed are available. There is some info in the Sierra book which is available out there in the webs and I think I have quoted it here myself once or twice in the past.

No merit in guessing about it. Besides, statistics mean nothing to the individual.
Whatever the percentages are, hope you feel better soon! :)


#206877 Depersonalization - Fact or Fiction

Posted by pancake on 26 September 2010 - 01:46 PM

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oh wow. I feel cured already. :rolleyes:
All DP/DR is a symptom of anxiety. What a pile.
Still, I guess there might be some good advice if you can see past the inconsistencies.
Wonder when that was published because at best it 's hopelessly out of date and at worst the woman is ignoring A LOT of recent studies.

DP/DR is on the dissociative spectrum by the way, not with the anxiety disorders. From what I've read about it IMO that 's right where it belongs.


#206848 Capgras Syndrome

Posted by pancake on 26 September 2010 - 07:31 AM

Has anyone heard of Capgrass syndrome. I am afraid I have it. Its when you believe your friends/family are not who they are but rather a "double." I know who my family and bf are but the connections arent there so it feels wierd when I am with them. Its hard to explain. Its like they are not themselves. Its a really scary thought. Has anybody heard of this disorder?

As soon as you're worried about having it I'd say what you're experiencing is not Capgras but sounds like Derealization.
If you had Capgras you would truly believe your friends and family had been switched for imposters. You would not be aware that this is an issue with your own perception but instead believe that they were the problem.

Derealization sometimes involves feeling like nobody around you is real. This is only a feeling, a perception, not something you truly believe is the case. For instance sometimes I look at friends, colleagues, family and they seem like strangers. I remember knowing them but I don't feel like I know them. i.e. I know who they are but I do not experience feelings of recognition & familiarity. They seem like strangers.

If I remember rightly Capgras tends to be caused by physical brain trauma. Give it a google bearing in mind that for them there is no "feels like".
Semantics can be very confusing when it comes to explainging DP/DR. Capgras does sound very similar but if you had it you wouldn't know there was anything the matter with you.

Lack of recognition is a disturbing experience to say the least.
Lots of us here are "familiar" (ha!) with it.
Hang in there :)


#206844 Random outbursts of anger

Posted by pancake on 26 September 2010 - 06:27 AM

Still battling with that one too.
Never giving up makes some good points there.

One thing that has helped a little is counting down from 90 as soon as you feel it coming on. This seems to work particularly well for me when I have no friggin clue why I might suddenly want to knock someone - ANYONE (myself included) - out cold. It 's funny, I was just talking about emotional overload in another thread too :D

Concentrate on your breathing, perform some physical tasks or RUN. Sing? It 's almost like screaming after all (at least in my case LOL). Dance or get a punch ball? :wink:
I guess those are really only any good if you are alone. I find it a lot easier to control when nobody 's around because I can let it out one way or the other without feeling like I am a rabid animal. *sigh*
Feeling like that, like my emotions are out of control, being afraid of them, is part of the problem. My random google searches always seem to end up at "emotional dysregulation". It 's usually associated with borderline, but it 's no surprise ppl with dissocation have trouble handling their emotions too. After all we don't get much experience with them feeling numb so much of the time. Cut yourself some slack, most ppl experience these all the time. They have far more practice :)

One somewhat crazy sounding thing that has helped me feel more connected with my own emotions, esp. "random" rages is asking myself (verbally or in thought alone): Where is this coming from? Why am I angry? and then try to let my mind go blank. More often than not I'll provide my own answer (as long as I don't try to self-censor). Knowing where you're coming from might help deal with your anger. I always find the "randomness" to be the most disturbing feature and my internal question and answer thingy has helped with that a lot.

All the best from one Hulk to another :wink:


#206658 Thyroid

Posted by pancake on 24 September 2010 - 06:24 AM

Reading up on thyroid and then the pituitary gland again makes me think of Fringe :D Can't wait for the new season..

Best of luck with the hormones and thanks for sharing. :)


#205787 New Movie!!!!

Posted by pancake on 15 September 2010 - 12:43 PM

watch PRETTY WOMEN or MY BIG FAT GREEK WEDDING.

Films like that make dissociation appear like a great skill to have. :D


#205300 What are some POSTIVE traits DPD may account for?

Posted by pancake on 11 September 2010 - 11:03 AM

Attention to detail.
Constant vigilance :)


#205066 Time Perception

Posted by pancake on 09 September 2010 - 02:13 PM

Has anyone else had this experience with DR?


Yes. It 's a dead common symptom of DP/DR
Most the time thinking about yesterday feels like memories of early childhood - veiled and unfamiliar. It 's hard to believe that was me. It 's hard to relate to my own past actions eventhough they weren't out of character.
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#204455 Could it be related to blood flow?

Posted by pancake on 05 September 2010 - 12:17 PM

Cerebral bloodflow. Must remember that.
Man, once I get on private healthcare I am gonna have me some test mania at last.. I'd really like to be sure I haven't been doing this for decades because of something that 's physical & maybe even fixable.


#203375 hearing myself talk

Posted by pancake on 29 August 2010 - 12:50 AM

hearing myself talk feels so strange. In the middle of a conversation I will feel like my voice sounds weird. There is also a feeling that what I'm saying does not make sense. Or I feel like I'm not really saying anything. I don't know how to explain it. Can anybody else relate ?


I can relate to all three experiences.

As for the first it is one of those it can be hard to relax about because it is so jarring.
I went through a period reently where I kept on asking my husband "Do I sound strange right now? Do I sound different at all?" but no. I never do. It is purely internal.

Sometimes I listen to myself wondering what I am going to say next as I hear myself say it - that can be frustrating if I don't particularly feel/agree what I am saying (if that makes any sense). Like an involuntary trip into my subconscious because after all those words are coming from somewhere in here. It might not feel like it but I came up with those words myself.

Sometimes I don't even know what I am saying. I'll be deep in thought and when I "come up for air" I can hear my voice and I realize with a jolt that I must have been speaking to someone for a while. Fuck knows what I am saying. I'll just sit there in the back of my head wondering if this sounds like gibberish to the perosn I am talking to as well and for a moment I panic (the part of me caught in the back of my head that is, not the disconnected bit that does the talking I think). Then when I see the other person answering back I'll watch their face and see that this is just a normal conversation for them. By the time it is me talking again I am out of there, back to whatever I was thinking about originally, safe in the knowledge the auto pilot is not so auto as it seems. I guess when this happens I just need some time to myself really badly and I split in two while my sense of self remains with the backseat driver.
It is crazy ass to think this shit is even possible but somehow it works. Isn't the human mind amazing?


#202974 what makes a person kill themself

Posted by pancake on 26 August 2010 - 12:27 PM

THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT WORLD OF WARCRAFT

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#202281 DPD (Depersonalization Disorder) Symptom domains

Posted by pancake on 21 August 2010 - 05:19 AM

Depersonalization Disorder Symptom Domains:



  • Alienation from surroundings (Derealization)
  • e.g. like looking through a camera, veil, things appear unreal
  • Lack of ownership feelings
    i.e. body/body parts feel alien / like they don't belong to you
  • Feelings of automation/lack of agency/ not feeling in charge
  • Disembodiment feeling
    ranges from feeling like you're not really there to out of body experiences
  • Perceptual distortions of the body
    e.g. body parts appear a different size,
    feeling lighter,
    as if wrapped in cotton wool
  • Heightened self observation
  • Emotional numbing
  • Anomalies in subjective recall
    e.g. memories lack emotion,
    seem like a dream,
    3rd person viewpoint like watching a film
  • Visual distortions
  • Mind emptiness/no thoughts/thousand mile stare
  • Changes in experience of time
    e.g. recent events feel like the distant past
    inability to experience time/feel as if outside of time
  • Changes in sense of duration
    internal body clock is out of tune with geophysical time - things appear in slow motion or sped up
  • Changes to perspective of time/temporal disintegration
    past present and future - what order do those go in again?
    e.g. wondering whether it is really next week
    lack of understanding/feeling of time
  • Impaired Spatial-Temporal Reasoning
    Spatial-temporal reasoning is the ability to visualise something in space that unfolds over time.
    e.g. estimating how a piece of paper will look unfolded. You're holding that map upside down by the way.. :wink:

Bastardized from the literature.
Give me a shout if you require sources.




#201170 Depression causing derealization

Posted by pancake on 13 August 2010 - 02:25 AM

Can depression cause depersonalization? I am starting to feel glimpses of hope from the torture of constant depersonalization and derealization. With these glimpses, I start to feel my old self that I thought was lost. It isn't. I am also realizing that I have been depressed, but I never realized that until now. When I am depressed, instead of blaming a low self worth on depression, I think it is me. It feels all too real. Anyone else have any experiences with depression causing or adding to the feeling of derealization? Thanks!


For some depression caused DP/DR
For some DP/DR causes depression
Some people have DP/DR and depression but the two are independent.
The same goes for the other mood disorders as far as I know.

I had depression a long time ago but I'd had DP/DR episodes for years before that. :shrug:

Congrats on the old self :)


#200385 Are Depersonalization and Derealization disoders?

Posted by pancake on 08 August 2010 - 11:29 AM

Like Guest013 said diagnosis of the disorder would only be made if the DP/DR are not symptoms of another disorder (anxiety/OCD/physical causes like epilepsy/migraine aura/lyme disease/..) but takes an independent course.

DPD doesn't just consist of a sense of unreality but can be split into quite a few distinct symptom domains. Personally I think DPD makes sense as a disorder. I'd recommend "A New Look at a Neglected Syndrome" if you're interested in more details about the "spectrum".