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#604100 What is Depersonalization Derealization Disorder?

Posted by Phantasm on 29 July 2019 - 04:35 AM

#604032 Recovered from chronic DPDR (Panic attack after smoking weed)

Posted by Phantasm on 28 July 2019 - 03:36 AM

This thread is a joke, are you serious dude? You probably felt a bit fuzzy for about 3 months, and now you come up here and tell everyone who had true intense Depersonalization, that this will cure them. You’re an asshole I find this shit offending.



Okay these comments make me sick. People come here to the recovery section to read a recovery story because they give us confidence that we can recover. Yes, even when someone had it for a short time. Why are you ruining this thread? I also think about things about threats but i keep them to myself. This is a community who should support each other and should motivate each other to recover. I’t making me sick. Get off of this site then if you can’t say someting positive! So many negativity on this site. I’m leaving and i’m going to recover because this whole site is bullshit. Just wanting to leave this here.


This is a difficult issue. I get frustrated with negative comments in the recovery section, but when someone comes along and says, "hey, just do this," some people will get offended, which is understandable, particularly when they use language like, "stop feeling sorry for yourself," or "stop making excuses," which is offensive to someone in a dark place who wants nothing more than to get better. You are often talking about deeply ingrained beliefs or ways of thinking and you can't change your mind overnight.


However, negativity is a destructive set of beliefs that can hold you back and discourage others. When I feel negative, I also tend to keep it to myself rather than discourage another person's recovery. It's better to not be proud and not take offence, and keep an open mind. Even if someone's advice is especially glib, don't take it personally. Just read it and ask if there's anything I can take from it. If there isn't, move on. Also bear in mind that one piece of advice is not invalid because you might need something else first. You may find yourself following that advice after you've found what else it was you needed. It's also good to be humble and ask, "if many people are saying the same thing, is there something I'm missing or something I keep doing that isn't working?" If you dismiss things too quickly as snake oil you might not really be trying to understand something and be self-sabotaging.


I always say that you can say what you want - you're free to disagree - but put it in a dignified way that doesn't contribute to an aggressive atmosphere. People often complain that not enough people come back to post their recovery story, but if you look at some of the hostile responses it's maybe not surprising why more don't. It's easy to imagine someone who is happy and recovered thinking, "I know, I'll go and post what I did so it will help people," then reading a few of the replies here and thinking, "nah, I don't need the grief, they don't want to hear it."

#603544 Is it worth trying?

Posted by Phantasm on 14 July 2019 - 12:59 AM

I took it for a while when my nerves were bad and it did calm me down. I took it in the evening and felt more settled and relaxed the next day. Now I use either ashwaghanda or St Johns wort instead which is just a personal preference.  

#603174 Dont think ill ever feel like a "normal" person ever again...

Posted by Phantasm on 03 July 2019 - 08:29 AM

There's no rules to grieving. You will do so in your own way and in your own time. Having preconceptions about how this should be done actually gets in the way. Don't attack yourself with ideas about what you think you are supposed to do.

#603134 Dont think ill ever feel like a "normal" person ever again...

Posted by Phantasm on 01 July 2019 - 02:48 AM

Hi, Emptyflask,


I think it's not uncommon here for people to get caught up worrying about these big questions, but I tend to think they are like projections of things that are happening on a personal level. We worry about the nature of everything because we ourselves are in pain. Some people say they don't feel anything, but numbness also has a quality and could also be called an emotional state. Perspective is everything. We can lose it or may never have had a healthy one, depending on the course of our lives. Feeling that life is meaningless is something that someone suffering with depression experiences, for example. They may have emotional issues, such as guilt, shame, or anger, that for whatever reason haven't been able to run their course. You've mentioned suffering loss and bereavement. For someone who is happy and healthy, life is a wonder and a miracle and carries intrinsic meaning. Did you say on another thread you are seeing a therapist? I would try to find out and work on why it is you may be feeling depressed and if you can make headway there you may find that these big questions won't matter anymore.  

#603022 I Recovered 100% From Drug Induced Depersonalization and I Promise You Can To...

Posted by Phantasm on 28 June 2019 - 05:43 AM

When you're ready, try smoking pot again.


Yeah, I'd be a bit careful with this one, as many people here had a habit they idealize and romanticize about. I guess that's because it's a relaxant and painkiller as well as a hallucinogen. So it's a bit like saying have a beer to an alcoholic!


Cutiecarol, I totally appreciate you are using it medicinally. There's little or no effective medication for some conditions, people with MS, for example.

#602762 a big reason why we endure this shit is because of feeling helpless and not t...

Posted by Phantasm on 21 June 2019 - 06:19 PM

PerfectFifth, I appreciate the point you are making, but I would factor in that we are typically starting from a point, or deficit, where we are introverted and inhibited, so I don't believe Psyborg was saying to go around yelling at people because you feel like it, but to be able to express and communicate your basic rights to people when necessary and without excessive fear of what others may think or feel when what you are saying is reasonable and justified. I think you are making too much of this one detail which he has already put into context.


Psyborg, I understand what you mean. Basic human rights are a line of thought or reasoning I have used myself for helping break down toxic shame, which is one of the types of negative conditioning that can cause the kinds of problems you describe. So when I needed to I might say to myself, "Everyone has the right to be happy and feel safe," or, "no-one has the right to make another human being feel ashamed of who they are or afraid to live their life." It can be an empowering angle.


As you and others have talked about, I agree control can be such a big part of it for so many people. Obsessively trying to hold onto things which were realistically out of our control, or taking undue responsibility for things, is mentally exhausting. With catastrophic loss of trust we can cling tightly to things, even and sometimes especially the things that hurt us. You can't push something away if you haven't first let it go, and it can be a challenge getting to the point where you're ready to do that.

#602680 Why meditation should be taught in school

Posted by Phantasm on 21 June 2019 - 12:04 AM


#601854 Wim Hof method

Posted by Phantasm on 06 June 2019 - 05:21 AM

I've read about cold showers from way back, and did use yoga, but it's a shock and I cant breathe! Anyone else had the shock, breath thing?

#601818 DP recovered except still question myself and existence?

Posted by Phantasm on 05 June 2019 - 11:55 AM

I know I don't need to say to anyone here that we can become scared of our own thoughts and feelings, but maybe the thing is to keep reminding ourselves that thoughts and feelings cannot actually harm us and never have, so even if we question these deep subjects we know and understand it is just a thought, then maybe dismiss it and turn our attention to just normal living, doing ordinary things, even if it doesn't feel normal to begin with.


I was thinking about this today.

#601062 What does it feel like to recover?

Posted by Phantasm on 23 May 2019 - 01:19 AM

For me what it felt like was completely giving up on recovery altogether, i then got on with my life feeling like a space cadet all the time. A year down the line i was working out in the park amd realised i was my old self again, it was completely gone. In short, there's no magical moment where it all pops back into place, but there is a moment when you realise you perfectly clear and living life to the fullest again. When youre recovered its not present at all


I think that sometimes giving up the fight is just what we need to do. We're only really fighting with ourselves and that's a fight we can't win. This can be the trick to self-acceptance.

#600916 Proud

Posted by Phantasm on 20 May 2019 - 05:05 AM

Completely agree, someone has to own the site, but it's always been about the community. They make it what it is. 


Thankfully, there's no real problems here anymore and that's thanks to its members. We are just caretakers, deleting spam, approving posts, etc, and that's how it should be.

#599990 Its true its bad to visit these forums

Posted by Phantasm on 01 May 2019 - 06:01 AM

Sometimes the best and only thing a doctor gives you is a label, which may be the only validation many people ever had, and that in itself can be a relief, but that's only the beginning. The validation itself, that someone actually acknowledged you are suffering, can be what matters. So this is mental health on a human level.


But yes, I think people who don't get better through straight forward methods have deeper issues. If, for example, someone had dissociated from childhood neglect or abuse, and that impact was unresolved, then ignoring it may not help. Our minds absorb teachings, good and bad, especially in childhood. If we don't challenge and correct bad learning it can shut us down like malware.


If someone has a basic level of more or less decent conditioning, meaning a reasonably sane upbringing, then they can "bounce back" with a few good prompts and a bit of good work, but if they didn't it may take a lot more work, in terms of learning the basics of sense of self and essential self esteem.

#599986 Random Images of dreams or memories

Posted by Phantasm on 01 May 2019 - 05:18 AM

Thanks for the responses guys. I actually went to the doctor and found out I had Mono for the past two weeks. Apparently having a virus like that can alter your brain patterns and produce fever dream type things while awake, but what you guys said has made me feel a whole lot better about everything. I feel some relief thanks to you.


That's good you've had a diagnosis. Obviously not great you've got a virus, but good you know what's what, and hope you start feeling better over the next few weeks. I think viruses can trigger these problems for people in an anxious state, because they don't know they have one. Then it's a classic anxiety loop, anxious about feeling anxious, so hope with your knowing the reason you have been feeling the way you have been feeling you will give yourself the time you need to get better and not stress too much.

#599874 Random Images of dreams or memories

Posted by Phantasm on 29 April 2019 - 06:16 AM


First of all it's always a good idea to talk to your doctor and get any tests they recommend just to be on the safe side, but when you are in a panicked state, images, memories and imaginings can flair up and become much more vivid than they would normally be. This is your mind both trying to warn you of possible danger and searching for a solution or explanation. It's a bit like a soldier having flashbacks. Sometimes they are memories, sometimes dreams, sometimes a mixture of the two. It can be very distressing and confusing, but it is all because you are in a highly stressed state at the time.