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#607622 My ULTIMATE cure to dp/dr

Posted by Phantasm on 11 October 2019 - 02:43 AM

I think the type of exercise here is significant. Exercise in general will make you feel healthier and improve your self-esteem, so that's good, but I think there is something else at play with cycling, which requires intensive concentration and engagement with your environment. You are moving at speed and exposed to the elements, so you have to be focused on what you are doing and what is happening around you. This doesn't leave a lot of room for DP thoughts, so I imagine that if you did it for long periods of time, like a biking holiday, it could have a real benefit of drawing you out of yourself and retraining your attention.


So the interesting question is: How much of the positive effect is due purely to the physical exercise and how much is due to the mental engagement with a real world environment the activity requires? I expect they both play a part, so hopefully it may not be necessary to do these things to the extreme - interestingly there's an old technique monks would use to teach students clarity which was to make them run up a mountain until they dropped! Of course it's not possible for everyone to cycle five hours a day, even gently, but maybe there are some principles at work here that people can adapt for themselves. (Always consult your doctor before beginning any new exercise regime, yadda yadda yadda.)

#606928 Paralyzing Fear

Posted by Phantasm on 26 September 2019 - 04:30 AM

Hi, lulu, I'm so sorry to hear you are feeling this way, and yes, after my last nervous breakdown I felt the same way, I was a nervous wreck, shaking like a leaf and scared of everything. Nothing helped, but I started taking spirulina - the only thing I could take without panicking - and ashwaghanda helped too.


What I did do was attend to the things I could attend to, like self-supporting dialogue, countering negative voices and building constructive ones. As awful as it all feels, it is all just paranoia and bad conditioning, so keep dismissing it all as just that. 


The subconscious is sometimes likened to a garden, and many of the bad seeds aren't planted by us, they came from negative people, but we can start weeding and replanting, so I would say to start thinking in the ways you would like to be, just as if it's already happened. When you're half-asleep, Imagine how it would feel to be completely recovered. Persist and don't be discouraged by anyone, expectation is direction.


Focusing on the things you can do also has the added benefit of taking your mind off symptoms, which are usually irrelevant anyway, but we can build them up too much. Play video games if you are feeling immediately anxious, while reminding yourself it's just paranoia and you are completely safe. It's just kinks your mind needs to untangle. 

#606890 If someone asks you what DP/DR feels like....

Posted by Phantasm on 25 September 2019 - 10:43 AM

I might move this thread to the Start Here section at a later date as it needs more threads for newcomers with descriptions people can relate to, and I think this is good one.

#606680 Does really distracting you from the feelings/thougts from DP cure it?

Posted by Phantasm on 21 September 2019 - 06:32 AM

Well, this seems to have come full circle. I've seen this argument acted out many times with different players over the years, but for neutral observers I think it's quite enlightening, and people can decide for themselves who they agree with.


Hopefully future posts can now go back to the OP's original question.

#606612 Does really distracting you from the feelings/thougts from DP cure it?

Posted by Phantasm on 20 September 2019 - 02:50 AM

I think you were spot on with this comment, Yuri.


You are talking about the moment when things start to fall in place. You start to understand and you can take slow steps toward something new. Then it becomes easier. But to get there. To get the insights and the aha moments. To get there can be really tuff and take really long time. Like you said you suffered for three years from DP. The way to move on with your life didn't come to you then and there right? It needed time to develop. Maybe you read some text or watch some clip that made things fall in place? It is the struggle to come to insights that is the hard one. And before that you cant just take someone else words as guidance. Change only comes from inside. You can get inspired from the outside, you can get help from the outside. But true change starts from the inside.



Btw, I will just remind people that I can place individuals on post approval without warning if they are a frequent source of problems, and I do keep a tally. Always remember the golden rule.

#606542 Does really distracting you from the feelings/thougts from DP cure it?

Posted by Phantasm on 19 September 2019 - 05:32 AM

You sound wise, Yuri.


Yes, I think that it can be so much about how we look at a thing, in a way that makes sense to us, and there can be many ways of describing a similar process. If you have found a way of approaching things that feels right and is helping then stick with it.


The work I've done with core sense-of-self is really another way of healing that inner wound, as with acceptance. Here Sun Yata was describing the same thing: 



I think embodying the mindset that 'I Am exactly who i'm supposed to be"

Is very powerful, transformative and healing.  


Whenever I felt that terrible sense of badness inside, I would use an equivalent phrase like, "I'm not bad or flawed, there was never anything wrong with me," to turn self-judgement into self-support.


Yes, no-one should presume to know another person's medical history, or their experience and knowledge. The old, "if anyone got better they never had it in the first place" argument is one I'm thankful I don't subscribe to. I think it's the illness talking.

#606432 Does really distracting you from the feelings/thougts from DP cure it?

Posted by Phantasm on 17 September 2019 - 11:58 AM

Yeah, strategies like this can no doubt be helpful.


Not really DP-related, but I used to be envious of others. I fixed this by realizing that it makes more sense to compare myself to a past version of myself rather than comparing myself to others. This way, I focus on my own progress and what I am rather than on what I'm not. 


Yes, that sounds like a practical example. You've taken a recurring thought or belief that was causing you harm, and replaced it with one that's more adaptive.


The more central and destructive the belief is to our sense of self, the more it can fuel chronic dissociation, and the more powerful a correction can be.

#606088 I've grown sceptical of psychiatry in general..

Posted by Phantasm on 08 September 2019 - 03:29 PM

There's a good book called "An introduction to Object Relations" by Lavinia Gomez, which covers the development of Psychiatry and how its attempt to be taken seriously as a "science" did a lot of damage. 

#605726 Why is weed commonly a trigger?

Posted by Phantasm on 03 September 2019 - 07:07 AM

Wow happen to remember the name of the documentary by any chance? I find it very interesting and despite weed causing my issues, this is exactly why I am pro legalisation. People are going to try weed whatever the risk, but this seems to definitely lower that risk from whatever I have read on the subject


It was Horizon. Cannabis: Miracle Medicine or Dangerous Drug? Looks like it's still available on iPlayer:

#605688 2nd time experiencing this- please read and give insight

Posted by Phantasm on 02 September 2019 - 02:00 AM

I'm glad if it made you feel better. Yes, if you'd like to talk privately you can send me a message by clicking on the little envelope at the top right of the screen, or click on my profile and send it from there.

#605536 Why is weed commonly a trigger?

Posted by Phantasm on 29 August 2019 - 03:04 AM

To me skunk is the issue and the high thc to cbd ratio. Thc has an opposite effect in the brain than cbd and cbd actually protects the brain from its harmful effects. If I remember correct thc disrupts the posterior cingulate cortex

This study shows cbd reduces the effects on the default mode network. I would say that the attentional networks are disrupted to cause dissociation which is doubled in people with an already anxious mindset/attention. I have always remembered scanning my environment for dangers. People I might bump into, listening for people talking about me over the room when talking to someone else. Even looking for cars of people I know or imagining people saying this or that and what I would say.

I am trying to become more aware of this and relax my focus and let my mind wander rather than become fixed on these thoughts or scanning my environment. I am trying open non directive meditation which is basically doing nothing and letting attention wander about and do what it wants workout putting effort into my focus being here or there... when I first smoked weed (skunk really as hash didn't have the effect) it would make me zone out and dissociate. This became more prolonged and worse as I smoked more but it also detached me from my anxiety.


There was a documentary on the BBC last night which came to the same conclusion. The higher the THC to CBD ratio the more paranoia and psychosis type symptoms the presenter exhibited in a double blind experiment which I believe was part of a wider study. The lower the THC to CBD level the more relaxed he was. THC was shown to impair mental function while CBD did not, and It talked about how almost all street cannabis now has a very high THC to CBD ratio.

#605222 Why is weed commonly a trigger?

Posted by Phantasm on 22 August 2019 - 03:34 AM

Weed makes you feel like things aren't real, it's like a chemical dissociation. It's a state that a lot of smokers are actively pursuing, but it can make you question things in a way that you might not have before and maybe if you have existing personality traits or issues - perhaps you are already sensitive, introvert or prone to anxiety - you may start to become afraid of those thoughts, feel a loss of control and start to panic, and this in itself can be like a mini-trauma. It doesn't matter to your subconscious if it was objectively real or not, but if you were scared by the experience then you were affected by it. A state of shock can follow. Many people just brush it off and so it doesn't affect them, but some get caught in a classic anxiety loop, where they continue to keep questioning things like perception and reality - which are classic stoner thoughts if you think about it!   

#604362 Recovered from chronic DPDR (Panic attack after smoking weed)

Posted by Phantasm on 03 August 2019 - 02:50 AM

I guess I was trying to be fair and balanced but my actual concern is not really about what method is being suggested, it's simply about level of aggression or plain old rudeness.


It's just as easy to say, "I don't agree with you because..," than it is to say, "you're an asshole and that's bullshit," which is antisocial and kills discussion. It's also selfish because someone else may want to talk to that person.   


I'm a complex case myself and most of these methods didn't really work for me either - although there is a lot of room for interpretation of these things - but you have to expect that MOST of the stories will be of this type. Attacking them all - as has been the policy in the past - is not only toxic to the forum, but completely pointless.  

#604100 What is Depersonalization Derealization Disorder?

Posted by Phantasm on 29 July 2019 - 04:35 AM

#604032 Recovered from chronic DPDR (Panic attack after smoking weed)

Posted by Phantasm on 28 July 2019 - 03:36 AM

This thread is a joke, are you serious dude? You probably felt a bit fuzzy for about 3 months, and now you come up here and tell everyone who had true intense Depersonalization, that this will cure them. You’re an asshole I find this shit offending.



Okay these comments make me sick. People come here to the recovery section to read a recovery story because they give us confidence that we can recover. Yes, even when someone had it for a short time. Why are you ruining this thread? I also think about things about threats but i keep them to myself. This is a community who should support each other and should motivate each other to recover. I’t making me sick. Get off of this site then if you can’t say someting positive! So many negativity on this site. I’m leaving and i’m going to recover because this whole site is bullshit. Just wanting to leave this here.


This is a difficult issue. I get frustrated with negative comments in the recovery section, but when someone comes along and says, "hey, just do this," some people will get offended, which is understandable, particularly when they use language like, "stop feeling sorry for yourself," or "stop making excuses," which is offensive to someone in a dark place who wants nothing more than to get better. You are often talking about deeply ingrained beliefs or ways of thinking and you can't change your mind overnight.


However, negativity is a destructive set of beliefs that can hold you back and discourage others. When I feel negative, I also tend to keep it to myself rather than discourage another person's recovery. It's better to not be proud and not take offence, and keep an open mind. Even if someone's advice is especially glib, don't take it personally. Just read it and ask if there's anything I can take from it. If there isn't, move on. Also bear in mind that one piece of advice is not invalid because you might need something else first. You may find yourself following that advice after you've found what else it was you needed. It's also good to be humble and ask, "if many people are saying the same thing, is there something I'm missing or something I keep doing that isn't working?" If you dismiss things too quickly as snake oil you might not really be trying to understand something and be self-sabotaging.


I always say that you can say what you want - you're free to disagree - but put it in a dignified way that doesn't contribute to an aggressive atmosphere. People often complain that not enough people come back to post their recovery story, but if you look at some of the hostile responses it's maybe not surprising why more don't. It's easy to imagine someone who is happy and recovered thinking, "I know, I'll go and post what I did so it will help people," then reading a few of the replies here and thinking, "nah, I don't need the grief, they don't want to hear it."