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#1 Kartik

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Posted 01 April 2020 - 10:35 PM

Being a long time meditator and having studied the energy system in our body, I want to share some of my views that could help people with DP/DR issues.

 

High dosage of psychedelics or any other drug can overdrive the sympathetic nervous system which is responsible for "fight or flight" mode. It can also result in premature or forceful awakening of energy which meditators take months or years to do so.

 

Some of the symptoms of DP/DR are - 

  • Not feeling grounded and balanced

  • Pain at the base of spine

  • Unpleasant sensation in navel region - stomach, gas, heat issues

  • Vision problems ; sensitivity to light/sound

  • Tightness in throat & chest 

  • Feel out of breath, abnormality in breathing pattern

  • Pressure in back of the head, forehead

  • Memory problems, not being able to think and communicate clearly

  • Sleeping pattern gets disturbed

  • Electrical sensations in the body

 

Similar symptoms are observed in those who have/does premature, forceful awakening of energy in meditation (symptoms could be little worse in case of drugs). This happens with those who does things without guidance and knowledge.

 

This condition creates tension in parts of our body called as "Stress containers". Google stress containers in the body.

 

 

Now the approach to deal with excess energy as advocated by Yogis/Meditators is to ground the energy in lower parts of our body by grounding exercises.

 

Therefore although you may be feeling most of the symptoms of this condition in upper part of the body, but you need to work on core and lower half of the body. You need to do some grounding exercises

 

There are many exercises/asanas you'll find if you google. But which specific exercises/asanas need to be done to get better results I've compiled a list of them.

 

 

Here are the exercises that you should do ground and balance yourself -

  • Grounding breath -

  1. Slow exhalations - Inhale through the nose and slowly exhale through the mouth (as if you are exhaling through the straw). Make sure outbreath should always be longer than inbreath.

  2. Diaphragmatic breathing (lying down) - Follow the same rule of breathing as above.

 

  • Grounding exercises -

  1. Crunches and its variations (Core-strengthening exercises)

  2. 90-90 stretches

  3. Hip mobility exercises

Practise these exercises daily for 15-20 min twice.

 

  • Alternative Therapies -
  1. Cranial Osteopathy
  2. Craniosacral Therapy
  3. Bach flower Remedy (very effective for emotional release)

 

REASONING -

 

Why Grounding exercises ?

The logic behind grounding exercises I've mentioned is that - symptoms of DP/DR caused by high dosage of drugs are mostly similar to premature, forceful awakened energy. So the way of dealing with them is same.

 

Google- "Kundalini and Psychedelics". Do some of your own research. Definitely give this a reading.

 

This actually is an energy imbalance issue. Even modern day psychologists and psychiatrists are unable to diagnose condition correctly for lack of right knowledge. This topic has not been much explored, evaluated by them.

 

I won't say this exercises will resolve the issue overnight, but definitely will help to ground and balance as it helps in the second case I mentioned.

 

If practised regularly I can definitely say your recovery period will reduce. This I can say for sure.

 

Physical exercises that target the abdominal ( core and oblique core muscles), hips and hamstrings are very important to treat this condition. Avoid heavy lifting/ gym. 

 

 Also solar plexus, which is in the navel region, is considered to be the storehouse of all emotions, working on this area will release suppressed emotions.

 

You can'f fix everything in mind. Mental acceptance is also necessary. But this is temporary psychosomatic disorder. This also includes physical health problems, emotional instability, mental disturabances. Therefore physical exercises.

 

 

Why Breathing exercise ?

 

We want more of parasympathetic NS

 

When we inhale Sympathetic NS is activated and when we exhale Parasympathetic NS is activated. We want more of Parasympathetic NS. That is why Slow exhalation. (Rule - Outbreath should always be longer than inbreath)

 

Same rule has to be followed while doing Diaphragmatic breathing.

 

 

About me - I have never taken any drugs. I am long time meditator. I know what could go wrong with drugs as well wrong practise and how to deal with it.

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#2 Kartik

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 08:00 PM

If you have any questions regarding anything in the post. please feel free to comment.



#3 LizFerret

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Posted 05 April 2020 - 03:46 PM


Being a long time meditator and having studied the energy system in our body, I want to share some of my views that could help people with DP/DR issues.


High dosage of psychedelics or any other drug can overdrive the sympathetic nervous system which is responsible for "fight or flight" mode. It can also result in premature or forceful awakening of energy which meditators take months or years to do so.


Some of the symptoms of DP/DR are -


  • Not feeling grounded and balanced

  • Vision problems ; sensitivity to light/sound

  • Unpleasant sensation in navel region

  • Pressure in back of the head, forehead

  • Tightness in throat & chest

  • Memory problems ;

  • Lack of energy

  • Sleeping/breathing pattern gets disturbed

  • Electrical sensations in the body


    In This part... I am curious over the part with electrical sensation. What do they meen? Is there a descriprion?
    Where could i find more info on this?

Similar symptoms are observed in those who have/does premature, forceful awakening of energy in meditation (symptoms could be little worse in case of drugs). This happens with those who does things without guidance and knowledge.


This condition creates tension in parts of our body called as "Stress containers". Google stress containers in the body.



Now the approach to deal with excess energy as advocated by Yogis/Meditators is to ground the energy in lower parts of our body by grounding exercises.


Therefore although you may be feeling most of the symptoms of this condition in upper part of the body, but you need to work on core and lower half of the body. You need to do some grounding exercises.


There are many exercises/asanas you'll find if you google. But which specific exercises/asanas need to be done to get better results I've compiled a list of them.



Here are the exercises that you should do ground and balance yourself -

  • Core-strengthening exercises (Abdominal muscles)

  • 90–90 stretches (Hip-mobility, hamstrings, Oblique core muscles)

  • Seated hamstring stretches

  • Diaphragmatic breathing

  • Slow exhalation (Inhale through the nose and slowly exhale through the mouth- slightly open

Practise these exercises daily for 15-20 min twice.




REASONING -


Why Grounding exercises ?

The logic behind grounding exercises I've mentioned is that - symptoms of DP/DR caused by high dosage of drugs are mostly similar to premature, forceful awakened energy. So the way of dealing with them is same.


Google- "Kundalini and Psychedelics". Do some of your own research. Definitely give this a reading.


This actually is an energy imbalance issue. Even modern day psychologists and psychiatrists are unable to diagnose condition correctly for lack of right knowledge. This topic has not been much explored, evaluated by them.


I won't say this exercises will resolve the issue overnight, but definitely will help to ground and balance as it helps in the second case I mentioned.


If practised regularly I can definitely say your recovery period will reduce. This I can say for sure.


Physical exercises that target the abdominal ( core and oblique core muscles), hips and hamstrings are very important to treat this condition. Avoid heavy lifting/ gym.


Also solar plexus, which is in the navel region, is considered to be the storehouse of all emotions, working on this area will release suppressed emotions.


You can'f fix everything in mind. Mental acceptance is also necessary. But this is temporary psychosomatic disorder. This also includes physical health problems, emotional instability, mental disturabances. Therefore physical exercises.



Why Breathing exercise ?


We want more of parasympathetic NS.


When we inhale Sympathetic NS is activated and when we exhale Parasympathetic NS is activated. We want more of Parasympathetic NS. That is why Slow exhalation. (Rule - Outbreath should always be longer than inbreath)


Same rule has to be followed while doing Diaphragmatic breathing.



About me - I have never taken any drugs. I am long time meditator. I know what could go wrong with drugs as well wrong practise and how to deal with it.


#4 Kartik

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Posted 05 April 2020 - 09:32 PM

 

Google- "Kundalini and Psychedelics". Do some of your own research. Definitely give this a reading.

 

This actually is an energy imbalance issue. Even modern day psychologists and psychiatrists are unable to diagnose condition correctly for lack of right knowledge. This topic has not been much explored, evaluated by them.

 

When one practises meditation, pranayama regularly it takes months or years to activate/experience energy in the body. The experience of it is same like pleasant electrical sensations throughout the body. One feels more energetic and enthusiastic.

 

However when one takes drugs in too much quantity it may lead to premature/forceful awakening of this same energy. Without understanding how our mind, consciousness works one cannot achieve higher states of consciousness. Still many go for shortcut. I am not against anything but everything should be done with caution and prior knowledge.



#5 Trith

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Posted 10 April 2020 - 02:42 PM

Hello,

 

Yes, I have questions. For how long have you been having DPD, and do you consider yourself recovered? If not, at what percentage do you consider yourself compared to where you were initially?

I have meditated for several years now, including long retreats (not extreme ones though), and it has always made me more present to my surroundings but not really in a way that helped with my dpd. I was more aware but still as detached as before, except for some very brief flashes where DPD was reduced a little, just for a fraction of a second and than it was back 100%.



#6 Kartik

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Posted 11 April 2020 - 02:17 AM

 

 

Yes, I have questions. For how long have you been having DPD, and do you consider yourself recovered? If not, at what percentage do you consider yourself compared to where you were initially?

 

Hello mate. I did suffer from DPDR issue for few months, but it was neither drug induced (I've never tried them) nor due premature awakening.

 

It was due to tight glasses. What happened was as i was regular and disciplined  meditator I started to experience Samadhi (Trance state) after few months of my practise. It became my permanent state. Still I experience it. It doesn't leave you once reach it. Your mind gets totally absorbed in energy field within. It keeps you fresh throughout the day. I used to feel energy in the body. My awakening and progression was very gentle. 

 

Everything was going well. But then I did a small mistake. I bought new glasses and the frame was too tight and small. This came to my notice later when the problem began. I experience the tightness when i started wearing it and but felt frame will loosen on its own after some time. Around after 20 days my head started spinning and everything was going topsy turvy without me doing anything on its own. I experienced other symptoms but i don't want to remember.

 

Even then I wore the glasses for around 2 months. One day it came to my notice that this glasses were too tight and they have created tension on my temples. Pressure on temples created tension on my brain and  this  resulted in energy imbalance in my whole body. ( I used to feel energy in my whole body prior the problem began but it was very pleasant experience.) . I used to wear glasses 24*7. I used to experience similar other physical symptoms. I was unable to think properly. Sleeless nights and what not.

 

But then I visited few doctors for the treatment. One of them advised to work on lower half of the body as that will ground and balance myself.

 

So i began doing grounding exercises especially the ones that target core, oblique core, groin area, hamstrings as I used to feel much tightness in this area. I felt as if my muscles were contracted in this area

 

As i keep on doing yoga asanas/exercises the tightness in this area loosened up. 

 

I used to feel lack of energy.earlier. I used to feel my lungs were not working altogether. After practising asanas my chest opened up. My breathing pattern improved.

 

 Whatever unpleasant sensation lights  I used to experience in my head were gone. My sleep improved. The involuntary movements were gone.

 

Eventually after around 2-2.5 months of practise of various asanas and exercises I completely came back to my normal state. Once again I began to feel energetic and enthusiastic throughout the day. I have recovered completely 100% now.

 

After this event I dig deep into this topic. I go through many discussion forums and websites. I find that people are having DPDR issue either due to drugs or wrong awakening. Symptoms in either case are 99.99% similar. The energy imbalance can happen either due to drugs or forceful awakening or contact with tight objects on head (my case).

 

Many say psychedelics/drugs are crash course in experiencing higher states of consciousness. But some mental training is also necessary. Without training of mind it is impossible to attain HSC. So some people might face problem with high dosage. 

 

There is much i can write but I am writing very briefly. 

 

 

 

 

I have meditated for several years now, including long retreats (not extreme ones though), and it has always made me more present to my surroundings but not really in a way that helped with my dpd. I was more aware but still as detached as before, except for some very brief flashes where DPD was reduced a little, just for a fraction of a second and than it was back 100%.

 

Mate i can definitely say that grounding exercises would give better results than just merely practising meditation. Even if you practise the first one that is enough.

 

 

So if there is anything that you can do on your own irrespective of being totally dependent on medications to come out of this it is grounding exercises. This will definitely help you to understand your body better and will reduce recovery duration.

 

I forgot to mention that I have few people in contact who are doing grounding exercises and they are doing very well now.

 

 

Hope this answers your questions!



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Posted 27 May 2020 - 05:58 AM

Hi there,

 

Thank you for sharing this knowledge.

 

I undertook a 10 day vipassana meditation retreat one year ago. I wasn't very advanced in my meditation practice at all and undertook vipassana on a whim for the experience not really thinking it through very thoroughly. I noticed after maybe the first 2 days I had feelings of DPDR (though I didn't know it was that at the time) I felt I was highly aware and seeing very very clearly. I thought it was an amazing effect from the meditation. It wasn't until I left the retreat and a day later really felt I was having an out of body experience, which never left me and I later learned my feelings could be described as DPDR - which I have never had before. I became incredibly frightened and fearful of this state and had no idea what had caused it or how to help it. 

 

I practiced, and still to this day (living with this for one year now) practice grounding techniques such as pranayama and asana. I had not been meditating since the vipassana retreat because I was so frightened that it caused me to become so detached that I didn't want to worsen the effects. I know this is driven by anxiety, but you can understand my thought process.

 

I'm unsure, but maybe I unintentionally awakened this dormant energy you speak of. My experience aligns with a lot of the 'spiritual awakening' symptoms, which most are very similar to DPDR. I've found it incredibly difficulty to function day to day, unable to work, have just recently built some confidence in terms of socialising and do simple tasks that I can manage.

 

Do you have any further advice around recommendations to assist me or insight into why I might have experienced this?

 

Cheers,

Bek 



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Posted 27 May 2020 - 10:49 PM

Hi there,

 

Thank you for sharing this knowledge.

 

I undertook a 10 day vipassana meditation retreat one year ago. I wasn't very advanced in my meditation practice at all and undertook vipassana on a whim for the experience not really thinking it through very thoroughly. I noticed after maybe the first 2 days I had feelings of DPDR (though I didn't know it was that at the time) I felt I was highly aware and seeing very very clearly. I thought it was an amazing effect from the meditation. It wasn't until I left the retreat and a day later really felt I was having an out of body experience, which never left me and I later learned my feelings could be described as DPDR - which I have never had before. I became incredibly frightened and fearful of this state and had no idea what had caused it or how to help it. 

 

I practiced, and still to this day (living with this for one year now) practice grounding techniques such as pranayama and asana. I had not been meditating since the vipassana retreat because I was so frightened that it caused me to become so detached that I didn't want to worsen the effects. I know this is driven by anxiety, but you can understand my thought process.

 

I'm unsure, but maybe I unintentionally awakened this dormant energy you speak of. My experience aligns with a lot of the 'spiritual awakening' symptoms, which most are very similar to DPDR. I've found it incredibly difficulty to function day to day, unable to work, have just recently built some confidence in terms of socialising and do simple tasks that I can manage.

 

Do you have any further advice around recommendations to assist me or insight into why I might have experienced this?

 

Cheers,

Bek 

 

Hello Bek

 

I can totally understand the physical and mental symptoms that you are experiencing. I have tried most of the traditional as well alternative treatments that are available

 

May be you did something that indirectly created much pressure in between eyebrows. This has led to some more symptoms.

 

Now it is really good that you are practising Yoga asanas. They definitely will help you to ground yourself. I have mentioned the specific exercises.Please go through them. Try adding them to your daily routine.

 

When it comes to Pranayama you should do slow exhalations. Avoid forced exhalation. This rule is particularly for those with DPDR. Use this same rule while doing asanas.

 

About the imbalance issue you can read about the 3 knots along the central channel. I cannot write much about it here because I think this forum is more about drug induced issue but may discuss in person.

 

PM if you want.



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Posted 28 May 2020 - 12:47 PM

Hello Bek

 

I can totally understand the physical and mental symptoms that you are experiencing. I have tried most of the traditional as well alternative treatments that are available

 

May be you did something that indirectly created much pressure in between eyebrows. This has led to some more symptoms.

 

Now it is really good that you are practising Yoga asanas. They definitely will help you to ground yourself. I have mentioned the specific exercises.Please go through them. Try adding them to your daily routine.

 

When it comes to Pranayama you should do slow exhalations. Avoid forced exhalation. This rule is particularly for those with DPDR. Use this same rule while doing asanas.

 

About the imbalance issue you can read about the 3 knots along the central channel. I cannot write much about it here because I think this forum is more about drug induced issue but may discuss in person.

 

PM if you want.

What makes you think that this forum is more about drug induced dp/dr??






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