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#25 fieldsmatt31

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:02 PM

It is possible. Your input here seems very pessimistic to me and very unhelpful. Your input suggests that there are not known remedies to treat DP. There are. 

 

I wouldnt take the time to reread anything you wrote because it isnt worth it. People may derive their own opinions.

 

But just from your last statement.

 

...moving on is not possible for them...

thats not true. and you wouldnt know. How would you know? You are not them and you do not know the future?

 

That is an example of you making statements that arent true and are totally not helpful. Many people recover from this.

 

Someone was talking with me and said that you made them feel hopeless and that you were scaring them. Because they felt doomed man. You are making it out to be worse then it is. Truly. And that was only one person in a short amount of time I give to being on here. 

 

As an example that person shouldnt have to feel doomed by ideas that you are promoting, simply because the idea is not true. Its not necessary. 



#26 PerfectFifth

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:02 PM

My advice to people with DP/DR is simple. Go on with your life. Stop treating your self as a patient with a serious mental illness. As hard as it may be, go on living as you would without it. And as is the case with myself and many others, it goes away.

 

The advice I give about exercise, nutrition, meditation, etc are all great remedies to help you go on with your life in a healthy manner and to ultimately drop the whole idea of DP/DR all together.

 

On the matter of you and a few others who claim that DP/DR is non treatable, I have to say you are completely wrong. You are simply expressing your own frustration that you have with your life and your self. 

 

As far as having narrow view, the only ideas I reject here are those that suggest that DP/DR is a chronic debilitating illness that which cripples people and is unmanageable and which has no remedy. This is totally not true. Please, check your self to see if you are being narrow minded your self.

 

Anyone who reads this, please disregard these people who suggest that DP/DR is a long term illness which has no treatment or remedy. Do not buy into that idea, please. Its not true and it has no place in the group really.

 

Go on with your life in a healthy manner and it will go away. This happens to many people. More people grow out of this condition than those who do not. You can get lots of recovery stories on youtube. 

 

And what if the condition is organic? What does that even mean? You must mean physiological or physical? It is true that physiology and psychology are interconnected. Its also obvious that DP/DR is both physiological and psychological. Any useful remedy for DP/DR would be to treat both the psychological and physiological health of the organism to enhance the over all well being of the individual. 

 

That is not an outrageous claim as you suggest. It is true. Improve the over all well being of your self, drop the DP/DR cry baby bullshit and go on with your life. Toughen up and move on. That is your remedy for DP/DR. Like it or not.

You have no idea what you're talking about. All you're doing is conjecturing and trying to push that as the truth and only solution. Do I know what causes DPDR? No. Do YOU know what causes DPDR? No. Could there be many different causes? Yes. Is there any confirmation that the illness we all here are suffering is even the same one? No!

 

Look, you're doing everyone a disservice by pushing this idiotic and narrow view. "Toughen up?" LOL. Really? This is just borderline trolling at this point. 



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Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:03 PM

Usually the things we dont like about others are the things we dont like about ourselves...

 

I will probably be banned soon for being a "Prophet of Doom"........

 

But I simply refuse to be misquoted...

 

Now if anywhere on this Forum I have ever stated DP is not curable or treatable I will hold my hands up and say I was totally wrong and I will leave of my own accord...No need to ban me....I will simply apologise and depart...



#28 fieldsmatt31

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:11 PM

The real disservice is exercising ideas that DP/DR is not understandable and not treatable because it is. 

 

It is very much understandable and treatable. 

 

Im not trolling, silly.

 

You want to hold on to your belief that DP/DR is very chronic and not treatable and severe and all of these things to justify your own suffering. You are identified with it. It is your excuse for being afraid or for being weak or for having a hard time. 

 

IM simply inviting you to toughen up and to make your self healthy and to drop the idea that you can drop DP/DR all together and this makes you mad and desperately want  to defend your opinioin.

 

I think you should let it go man, and move on with your life. Why not? What would be stoping you?

 

Please remember that I am well experienced with DP/DR. I know all about it. I know it inside and out. Ive experienced the worst of it for 3+ solid years with years of

residue from it. 

 

Sorry man, move on with your life. 



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Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:20 PM

The real disservice is exercising ideas that DP/DR is not understandable and not treatable because it is. 

 

It is very much understandable and treatable. 

 

Im not trolling, silly.

 

You want to hold on to your belief that DP/DR is very chronic and not treatable and severe and all of these things to justify your own suffering. You are identified with it. It is your excuse for being afraid or for being weak or for having a hard time. 

 

IM simply inviting you to toughen up and to make your self healthy and to drop the idea that you can drop DP/DR all together and this makes you mad and desperately want  to defend your opinioin.

 

I think you should let it go man, and move on with your life. Why not? What would be stoping you?

 

Please remember that I am well experienced with DP/DR. I know all about it. I know it inside and out. Ive experienced the worst of it for 3+ solid years with years of

residue from it. 

 

Sorry man, move on with your life. 

 

You are talking about the moment when things start to fall in place. You start to understand and you can take slow steps toward something new. Then it becomes easier. But to get there. To get the insights and the aha moments. To get there can be really tuff and take really long time. Like you said you suffered for three years from DP. The way to move on with your life didn't come to you then and there right? It needed time to develop. Maybe you read some text or watch some clip that made things fall in place? It is the struggle to come to insights that is the hard one. And before that you cant just take someone else words as guidance. Change only comes from inside. You can get inspired from the outside, you can get help from the outside. But true change starts from the inside.



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Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:21 PM

The real disservice is exercising ideas that DP/DR is not understandable and not treatable because it is. 

 

It is very much understandable and treatable. 

 

Im not trolling, silly.

 

You want to hold on to your belief that DP/DR is very chronic and not treatable and severe and all of these things to justify your own suffering. You are identified with it. It is your excuse for being afraid or for being weak or for having a hard time. 

 

IM simply inviting you to toughen up and to make your self healthy and to drop the idea that you can drop DP/DR all together and this makes you mad and desperately want  to defend your opinioin.

 

I think you should let it go man, and move on with your life. Why not? What would be stoping you?

 

Please remember that I am well experienced with DP/DR. I know all about it. I know it inside and out. Ive experienced the worst of it for 3+ solid years with years of

residue from it. 

 

Sorry man, move on with your life. 

Again I want to know exactly where I stated DP is untreatable or uncurable?????



#31 PerfectFifth

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:22 PM

The real disservice is exercising ideas that DP/DR is not understandable and not treatable because it is. 

 

It is very much understandable and treatable. 

 

Im not trolling, silly.

 

You want to hold on to your belief that DP/DR is very chronic and not treatable and severe and all of these things to justify your own suffering. You are identified with it. It is your excuse for being afraid or for being weak or for having a hard time. 

 

IM simply inviting you to toughen up and to make your self healthy and to drop the idea that you can drop DP/DR all together and this makes you mad and desperately want  to defend your opinioin.

 

I think you should let it go man, and move on with your life. Why not? What would be stoping you?

 

Please remember that I am well experienced with DP/DR. I know all about it. I know it inside and out. Ive experienced the worst of it for 3+ solid years with years of

residue from it. 

 

Sorry man, move on with your life. 

See, you're making wild assumptions here. You seem to assume that I'm squirming in anguish from my "DPDR" on a daily basis. This isn't the case. I don't give a damn about it at the moment, for example. I browse this forum like any other forum. I'm not here for consolation or to commiserate. I've already applied your so-called cure for years. 

 

I've "just lived" for years, and yet the symptoms remain constant. You're trying to push your "one size fits all" approach to every person here, without realizing that:

 

1. not everyone might even have the same ailment because everything hinges on subjective verbal descriptions. What does, for example, "I feel spaced out" even mean? It could mean a million different things to different people. Also, many people construe "DPDR" as a kind of existential obsession problem, while others construe it as a collection of perceptual anomalies. Who's right? I'd say the perceptual camp is right because what is the difference between DPDR and simply obsessing about something otherwise? Where's the confirmation that subsuming these people under the "DPDR" category collectively is correct? What's DP, and what isn't? It's all just based on verbal accounts, and that's anything but reliable. This doesn't stop you in pushing your conjectural nonsense, however. You seem to think that you KNOW everything. No, you don't. 

 

2. it may very well be chronic, at least in the sense that while it may not be incurable, the cause will never be found. You seem to be living in an universe where the mind is some magical source of infinite power that can cure anything in the body through sheer force of will. Sorry, but this isn't how this universe works. If you have an organic cause, for example insulin resistance causing diabetes, no amount of willing and hoping will do anything about it. Similarly, if your DPDR symptoms have an organic cause, no amount of "just forget about it, bro, and live!" will accomplish anything, other than perhaps help you cope with the symptoms.  

I'm really, REALLY tempted to drop an ad hominem here, but I'll resist this time.  



#32 fieldsmatt31

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:25 PM

Usually the things we dont like about others are the things we dont like about ourselves...

 

I will probably be banned soon for being a "Prophet of Doom"........

 

But I simply refuse to be misquoted...

 

Now if anywhere on this Forum I have ever stated DP is not curable or treatable I will hold my hands up and say I was totally wrong and I will leave of my own accord...No need to ban me....I will simply apologise and depart...

 

Well great. You confess that you dont know if it is treatable or curable because as you said " if anywhere on this Forum I have ever stated DP is not curable or treatable I will hold my hands up and say I was totally wrong". Your previous words in your previous comment were suggestive that there was no cure, in my opinion, by claiming that "...moving on would be impossible for them..."

 

Why is it impossible for them? Its not. Whats stopping them? Nothing. 

 

Again, my point is simple. There is a solution. It is very much possible to improve your condition, improve your state of well being, and drop the DP/DR bull crap and move on with your life and grow out of it. People can very much go on to live happy and healthy lives. That's a proven fact. 



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Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:28 PM

The real disservice is exercising ideas that DP/DR is not understandable and not treatable because it is. 

 

It is very much understandable and treatable. 

 

Im not trolling, silly.

 

You want to hold on to your belief that DP/DR is very chronic and not treatable and severe and all of these things to justify your own suffering. You are identified with it. It is your excuse for being afraid or for being weak or for having a hard time. 

 

IM simply inviting you to toughen up and to make your self healthy and to drop the idea that you can drop DP/DR all together and this makes you mad and desperately want  to defend your opinioin.

 

I think you should let it go man, and move on with your life. Why not? What would be stoping you?

 

Please remember that I am well experienced with DP/DR. I know all about it. I know it inside and out. Ive experienced the worst of it for 3+ solid years with years of

residue from it. 

 

Sorry man, move on with your life. 

30 years of exercise, healthy diet, working hard, getting married, 15 years alcohol and drug free, I walk miles every day, I help countless alcoholics and addicts to recover, I have helped lots of people on here through very tough times...

 

Please do not tell me to move on with my life....

 

You know nothing about me....So please dont assume you do...Except the fact you can take my posts and twist them simply because I hit a nerve with you...

 

Never had to defend myself on here before but I will in this situation....Simply because I have done nothing wrong...

 

Honestly if anything I have previously posted is that bad you can go ahead and request me to be banned from the site...

 

I will gladly hold my hands up and apologise if I was wrong in any way....



#34 PerfectFifth

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:29 PM

Like you said you suffered for three years from DP.

See, that's the thing. How is it certain that his DPDR is my DPDR? He read a bunch of verbal descriptions and thought to himself, "hmm, that kind of matches what I feel like". I did the same, and so did everyone here. 

Now, despite this, the reality might be that we might actually feel VERY different because we're both relying on somewhat vague verbal descriptions. We're relying on SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETATION OF LANGUAGE. There's nothing empirical here. That is, in addition to other reasons, why it's beyond idiotic that he's suggesting that he knows exactly what's up and that we all here suffer from EXACTLY the same thing that can be cured in EXACTLY the same way!



#35 fieldsmatt31

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:31 PM

Ive made my point. I dont have anything else to say except that the symptoms of DP/DR are totally treateable. There are many remedies for this depending on the person. These symptoms that are DP/DR do go away. There are many remedies that are optional for a person. If anyone reads this just know that it can totally go away.

 

Oh, and toughen up. ;) Seriously. 



#36 PerfectFifth

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:31 PM

Ive made my point. I dont have anything else to say except that the symptoms of DP/DR are totally treateable. There are many remedies for this depending on the person. These symptoms that are DP/DR do go away. There are many remedies that are optional for a person. If anyone reads this just know that it can totally go away.

 

Oh, and toughen up. wink.png Seriously. 

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