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[REB]

Anything for profits. Those pharma companies have a lot to gain by contaminating science with biased junk and indoctrinating psychiatrists into prescribing their garbage. 

 

Although the pharmaceutical industry probably's been the primary driving force behind the medical holocaust over the last century, i would like to point out that very little of it would

be possible without the compliance and mind numbing stupidity of physicians. In many cases they're actually the sole perpetrator.

Take the benzo epidemic as an example. The manufacturers of these drugs all state in their guidelines that duration of treatment is N O T to exceed 14 days, yet

tens of thousands of people are kept on these drugs for decades leaving them absolutely neurologically fu*ked to shit.

 

A lot of people seem to be of the opinion that physcians are acting in good faith and in line with the current level of knowledge, hereby absolving them from all responsibilities.

I couldn't possibly disagree more. They choose not to exercise caution, they choose not to question the current level of "knowledge", they choose to prescribe pills (by the millions)

that they do not understand the mechanisms, interactions or long term implications of. 

They should absolutely be held responsible. They should be held responsible for crimes against humanity. 

 

It's just absolutely comical how this pattern of genocidal ineptitude keeps repeating itself over and over again in medicine, and we never seem to learn from it.

Not only do we seem unable to learn from it, but it looks to me as if every generation is actively trying to outdo the old one in body count and carnage.

 

Here's the bottom line though.. We have a very limted understanding of the human body (we don't even know what to feed it, for christ's sake),

so how about we calm down on the chemical warfare until we do? Radical stuff, i know.

[James_80]

Take the benzo epidemic as an example. The manufacturers of these drugs all state in their guidelines that duration of treatment is N O T to exceed 14 days, yet

tens of thousands of people are kept on these drugs for decades leaving them absolutely neurologically fu*ked to shit.

 

 

Someone recently posted on dpselfhelp that they had been prescribed Klonopin for 18 years:

 

https://www.dpselfhe...sers-out-there/

 

Guidelines say: take them for up to 14 days. Doctor says: take them indefinitely if you like. That is absolutely clueless and neglectful treatment.

[REB]

Sounds like reckless endangerment to me. Maybe even attempted murder.

Why aren't these reptiles held responsible for their blatant professional negligence anywhere in the world?

[forestx5]

psychiatry is the triage ward of neurology. Triage is a medical term and is a process which determines who receives care first....and who receives care last, and in a military setting, who is left to die because

the doctors figure you wouldn't want to live without balls, eyes, and 3 of your 4 limbs.  If  you want to read an interesting book, try "Fortunate Son" by Lewis Puller Jr.  Lt Puller was the son of 5 time Navy Cross recipient and former

2nd Marine Division Commander Chesty Puller.  Lt Puller stepped on a booby trapped 105 mm artillery round in Vietnam.  He was medevacked to a field hospital and left on a cot in the corner of the tent.

He waited until all the other Marines had been attended to, and then asked the doctors what they intended to do for him.  He heard them mutter "Jeezus, he's still alive".  So they went to work on Lewis Jr and he

returned to the United States as a wheel chair bound paraplegic.  He accepted the Pulitzer prize for his book, before committing suicide. 

Medical resources are limited.  Doctors choose to fix that which can be fixed.  That which has no known cure or obvious treatment is subject to triage.

psychiatry is the triage ward of neurology.

[eddy1886]

One psychiatrist tells you one thing, another tells you the opposite, meanwhile you're the one who has to suffer for their mistakes when they prescribe a wacky medication or take you off of something too fast or just keep prescribing benzos until you become dependent and your anxiety gets worse. Every medication they give you is just a shot in the dark, and they all have their own personal preference. Personal preference belongs in art, not sciences, especially when it comes to your health. 50 years or so from now when they look back at our psychiatry they'll probably consider it barbaric. I'll admit that brain medication does help some, but it hurts some too, even ruins lives, and it has never helped me. Many of us have tried psych med after psych med and have nothing to show for it but worsening mental health and unbearable side effects (that psychiatrists dont understand and cant explain). I wish I had been born in a time where psychiatry was much more advanced. Just a little rant, I hope I'm wrong and you all have good experiences with meds of course.

At best the majority of them are guessing whats wrong with an individual...

 

The same applies to GPs as regards physical illness...

 

When you present with symptoms they either open a manual or do a google search...Sure I can do that LOL...How many of us on here only found out what was truly wrong with us as a result of Dr Google.....I know thats how I truly discovered what was wrong with me....I had DP for years before the internet was able to tell me what was wrong....All the GPs, Therapists and Psychiatrists I saw up until that point just took my money and threw meds at me as a trial and error process...

 

Psychiatry is truly in the dark ages and if you dont have lots of money you will be lucky to get treated anyway...Treated Properly that is I mean....And if you are an everyday person who is not wealthy and have to deal with the public health services supplied by your country best of luck....Most of them have long waiting lists and then eventually when you do get seen they will literally just guess and throw meds at you anyway.......

 

The fact is to receive proper blood tests, brain scans, deficiency tests, therapy, coping techniques etc etc  to truly get to the source of our problems costs lots and lots of money and the average person is never gonna receive such treatment...As a result our health services throw band aids on our mental and physical health problems and the pharmaceutical companies get richer and richer as a result...

 

Welcome to the capitalist western world everybody....Where only the rich and famous matter....The rest of us are just guinea pigs and statistics....

[Chip1021]

Sounds like reckless endangerment to me. Maybe even attempted murder.
Why aren't these reptiles held responsible for their blatant professional negligence anywhere in the world?

Because it’s not considered professional negligence if it is widely accepted practice within the discipline.

[PerfectFifth]

http://newsroom.ucla...-gut-microbiota

Pretty interesting article about a new study. It suggests that antidepressants mess with the gut's microbiota.  

[forestx5]

The sad thing about psychiatry, is that the expectations for positive outcomes are low.  Trial and error is not the most efficient method of diagnosis or treatment.  It seems the most that is hoped for is that something can make you feel better.  Not cure you, not address the core issue of your discomfort, but simply to 

make you feel better. You can get that less expensively from most any street corner in any medium size city.  I was treated by 3 psychiatrists for over 20+ years.  I had a pretty good rapport with my last p-doc.  We both knew he wouldn't reach for a reference manual to

save my life.  I explained to him that I believed I had discovered the origin of my illness and it was seizure related.  I told him I wanted an EEG.  He didn't say "I'll order one for you".  He said "Go get one".  LOL So I did, and the results led to our parting ways. 

They were all lazy whores, spinning the turn styles for their healthcare conglomerate. 

They worked all  the overtime they could get.  And, the system regulated the competition such that if someone needed  to see a psychiatrist in our area, they had to wait 6 months for an appointment.

I've read where 30% of US health care expenditures are for mental health care.  And, that's just how the psychiatry department likes it.  I think the real reason the US has an embargo on Cuba, is that Cuba offers the same quality medical care as the USA (according to the  World Heath Organization ratings), 

and charges about 15% of what the US charges.  If the US wants to make a major improvement to health care, they need only to subsidize flights to Havana.  Cuba has more doctors per capita than any nation in the world, save Italy.  They also are conducting world class brain research, and medical

expertise is one of Cuba's largest exports.  Viva La Revolution!  Anyone who suggests that health care in the US is a free market operation is a dupe.  If you intend to provide competition, you will never receive a license from our state's licensing department.  There is enough money

being made in health care, to cover legislative expenses and establish a crony capitalist's system of health care, which is how the US operates  today.

[Chip1021]

I've read where 30% of US health care expenditures are for mental health care. And, that's just how the psychiatry department likes it. I think the real reason the US has an embargo on Cuba, is that Cuba offers the same quality medical care as the USA (according to the World Heath Organization ratings).

This makes perfect sense. In my experience I’ve had to bitch and moan to get my gps to give me a referral to a specialist (neurologist, endocrinologist, etc.). They are really stingy on those referrals. Yet they will send you to psychiatry for any and all aches, pains, and discomforts that they cannot immediately diagnose. Not to mention people are also forced into psychiatry whenever they get into social trouble (psychiatry is quite unique as a so-called “medical” specialty with respect to its curious relationship to the law).

I do think you’re wrong about why we had an embargo with Cuba though. It’s mostly just the result of a competition over whether capitalists or communists have the biggest dick. Similar to the space race of last century with the Soviet Union. That’s just my view though.

[Chip1021]

I also want to address the title of your post, lulu. I think the default stance should be skepticism, rather than arriving there after failure. I’ve had to learn that the hard way too. These medical professionals should have to demonstrate that they know what they are talking about. When they diagnose you with ADHD, ask them how do they know you have ADHD? If they say you have a chemical imbalance in the brain, ask them how they know that. Having a fancy degree from an expensive university only proves that they worked hard to get where they are. After all, how much of what you learned in school did you subsequently learn to be half-truths or untruths?

[forestx5]

The embargo on Cuba has a lot to do with economics ($$$).  If Cuba were to come "on-line" in the Caribbean, it would re-direct the flow of tourist dollars from the Bahamas, US Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Jamaica and Cozumel, right to Havana.

Cuba has everything, and it is only 90 miles from Florida.  The US, Britain, and other economic players in the caribbean wouldn't want that.

[Phantasm]

There's a good book called "An introduction to Object Relations" by Lavinia Gomez, which covers the development of Psychiatry and how its attempt to be taken seriously as a "science" did a lot of damage.