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#1 James_80

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Posted 29 March 2019 - 05:57 AM

Hi everyone. I realise that psychedelics are the reason that some of you may have developed dp. In my case it wasn't. Pure anxiety and depression and (possibly) trauma that I'm not even consciously aware of. I have always had a strong interest in psychedelics and read about them a lot and feel a calling to try them out responsibly but, obviously with being prone to dp, I am cautious about this. It would have to be done in a therapeutic environment for me to feel as confident as possible that I could pull through with maximum benefit and minimum risk. My dp has been there for as long as I can remember although sometimes it almost completely goes and stays like that for years. My feeling about dp now is that it isn't something that I am scared of anymore and is more of an annoyance and a hindrance to living life to the full. The main issue for me is being stuck in depression a lot of the time and stuck in a rut. I feel lost and directionless to be honest in my life. I can use the well known techniques to reduce my feelings but I never ever get to that sweet spot of actually enjoying life and not feeling like some sort of failure. This is where my interest in psychedelics, especially mushrooms, come in. They are meant to be effective for people stuck in treatment resistant depression and can help deal with trauma and general anxieties about life. I feel a strong calling to try them. I have heard of people using them and it cleared their dp up. I have also heard horror stories too. What are people's feelings on them?



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Posted 29 March 2019 - 07:05 AM

I used magic mushrooms to hopefully cure me of my depression and anxiety. A lot of people fussed how shrooms could do that. But guess what, I did not get cured of depression and anxiety, but I also got dpdr now.
It is a risk to use shrooms in treating psychological conditions. There is no assurance they will.
Was it all bad? No. Shrooms have also helped me in discovering a few things about myself. When I was on high I felt emotionally invulnerable, unusually confident. But these effects are as temporary as the high the shrooms can induce. At the end of the day, you have to learn these things the hard way to make then permanent.
I am more on the side of no in using shrooms because the risk is greater than the positive effects, I say this with all seriousness. But if you still want to proceed, do with caution and knowledge.

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Posted 29 March 2019 - 07:41 AM

I went down this path a while back. Am tempted to revisit it at some point. It has had amazing effects with depression and PTSD and I really hope therapy gets legalised soon. I did it alone at home and the experience was pretty amazing, but it also makes you pretty sick before you trip. My last experience had me feeling very sick and I stood over the toilet to vomit. Before I knew it I woke up later on the floor, I had fainted before I could vomit (weirdly this is how my DP started). 

 

Take a lot of caution and trip with someone you trust if you can. Ideally a therapist, there are some underground but I couldn't find any as they are understandably hard to find. Good luck and let us know how it goes if you go ahead with it



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Posted 29 March 2019 - 03:05 PM

How did your dp start? Was it through taking mushrooms?

I hope it's legalised too if it's true that it has helped so many out of depression and ptsd. They are doing trials on it at the moment. I put myself on the list but I doubt I will get selected as its first come first served. Hundreds have applied. Here is the link to the trials:

https://www.kcl.ac.u...ilocybin-trials

In the meantime I'm continuing with trying out the Wim Hof breathing method and cold showers. Positive results so far. With a bit of luck I won't need to try anything else.

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 10:53 AM

I've never done any drugs more potent than weed. But I still have to weigh in here. To my understanding, if you are experiencing existential issues--feeling directionless, etc.--I'm not sure how shrooms will help with that type of problem. The experience people have on them I'm told can be enjoyable, but it is just that, an experience. Like going to an amusement park, it can be a thrilling trip, but I don't see how it will give you any direction in life or offer many benefits extending beyond the experience itself. I could be wrong, of course, but if it were me, I'd probably not risk it. Seems like the potential negative probably far outweigh the positives.

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Posted 30 March 2019 - 11:31 PM

I've never done any drugs more potent than weed. But I still have to weigh in here. To my understanding, if you are experiencing existential issues--feeling directionless, etc.--I'm not sure how shrooms will help with that type of problem. The experience people have on them I'm told can be enjoyable, but it is just that, an experience. Like going to an amusement park, it can be a thrilling trip, but I don't see how it will give you any direction in life or offer many benefits extending beyond the experience itself. I could be wrong, of course, but if it were me, I'd probably not risk it. Seems like the potential negative probably far outweigh the positives.


I totally agree. I had dpdr from using shrooms. I wanted to be happy that's why I used shrooms. But I didn't and just had dpdr. For me the use of psychedelics is just the imagination that there is a shortcut. There's not.

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 12:48 AM

I'm a believer of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.  That is the law of entropy, which states that things tend to disorder.  In other words, why would you ingest a psychoactive drug which is akin to throwing your mind into the air, and expect it to land in better order

than when you tossed it?  I don't  know where you get your information "(mushrooms) are meant to be effective for people stuck in treatment resistant depression".  Really?  Well, the world needs more psychonauts.  Take a big dose and report to Erowid.com.

They are keeping score.



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 01:02 AM

I'm a believer of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. That is the law of entropy, which states that things tend to disorder. In other words, why would you ingest a psychoactive drug which is akin to throwing your mind into the air, and expect it to land in better order
than when you tossed it? I don't know where you get your information "(mushrooms)

are meant to be effective for people stuck in treatment resistant depression". Really? Well, the world needs more psychonauts. Take a big dose and report to Erowid.com.


They are keeping score.


I hoped there was a like button. I believed what they said shrooms could cure depression, google searches seemed to agree. Now im on this forums talking about dpdr.

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 08:19 AM

Another thing that shows big promise is ecstasy therapy. Unfortunately we dont know how big the risks are with these type of things though. We can say with confidence that anti depressants generally help but they aren't without their risks (suicidal thoughts, erectile disfunction, weight gain). But we also know the risk:reward ratio is pretty high. The problem is we don't know who is going to have a horror story with these drugs and what predisposes people to react badly.

I think in Holland there are even ecstasy clinics but I am not sure about this. As there are clinics in Europe for ibogaine. I wouldn't ever recommend any of these to anyone though. Do a lot of your own research and consider the risks. To me if I had to put money on it, ecstasy seems safer. Professor David Nutt (uk government advisor for drug safety) famously was fired for saying ecstasy was safer than horse riding. He wasn't advocating the use of drugs, just objectively stating the risks compared to something we consider relatively safe. The harm with ecstasy usually comes from drinking too much water and people over hydrate and die. Again it has other risks like psychosis. Were these people already at risk? Are there larger risks if we already have a dissociative disorder? Maybe. Science is scarce unfortunately but I may well try ecstasy therapy one day... purely out of desperation as nothing conventional really helps

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Posted 31 March 2019 - 05:47 PM

According to the US National Institute of Health, ECT is a highly effective treatment for treatment resistant depression.  A group of 38 patients with treatment resistant depression received at least

6 sessions of ECT.  Half had their depressive episodes end.  65% reported significant improvement.  I didn't see any studies where the NIH reported

"shrooms" to be an effective treatment for depression.  One has to consider the source when evaluating claims made by unnamed sources.

For example:  "especially mushrooms...... They are meant to be effective for people stuck in treatment resistant depression"



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Posted 31 March 2019 - 07:09 PM

According to the US National Institute of Health, ECT is a highly effective treatment for treatment resistant depression.  A group of 38 patients with treatment resistant depression received at least

6 sessions of ECT.  Half had their depressive episodes end.  65% reported significant improvement.  I didn't see any studies where the NIH reported

"shrooms" to be an effective treatment for depression.  One has to consider the source when evaluating claims made by unnamed sources.

For example:  "especially mushrooms...... They are meant to be effective for people stuck in treatment resistant depression"

 

OK, you can replace the word "meant" with "might". Might be effective for treatment resistant depression.

 

Kings College London are currently running trials on psilocybin. There is lot of information on the history of psilocybin use on that page: https://www.kcl.ac.u...ilocybin-trials

 

Two further studies are referred to in this article that psilocybin "demonstrated immediate and marked reductions in their levels of anxiety and depression":  https://www.independ...s-a7449331.html



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Posted 01 April 2019 - 05:43 AM

From one of the above studies:  "feelings of isolation, depression and anxiety commonly associated with a diagnosis of terminal illness."

I'm not satisfied the above patients can be considered as treatment resistant depression.  If I were diagnosed with terminal illness,

I would quite naturally be depressed about it.  I think that is significantly different than being mentally ill with major depression.






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