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#1 songflower

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Posted 06 August 2018 - 11:14 AM

Hello everyone! Maybe my thoughts are nothing new, but I'd like to share and see what other people think.
Anyone else percieving DR as a way of spiritual growth? Like, so many of us suffer from these sympthoms, maybe it is a way of making us better people, stronger, much more stronger in spiritual, mental kind of way? Maybe this suffering is wortg it. Maybe enlightment is what happens next. For example, Ekhart Tolle was in a deep depression before he became a spiritual teacher. Maybe we all are going through this big challenge because our souls have chosen this. This thought brings some kind of reassurance...
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Posted 06 August 2018 - 12:17 PM

I was raised as an Atheist, Science Orientated Skeptic of Everything. But that all changed the very first day I woke up DP'd. I felt like I was sensing something entirely different, that didn't fit into my current/previous box of beliefs/facts. Actually I immediately began to look into Spiritual books and Meditation. I covered many different sides of spirituality. Ranging from Taoism, Zen and Buddhism... to Christian Gnosticism (basically Christianities version of Buddhism). I even got into Eckhart Tolle really early on, and other "New Age Gurus". I delved into more Nature orientated paths like Wicca and the like. Right now I'm full circle, as in all of it has culminated and come together very much eclectic like. I don't believe DP is a Spiritual Enlightenment of any sort, but it does provide, for some, the opportunity to open their minds and take a closer to look. 

 

I thought when I first found the DP community that everybody would be the same as me, open to Spirituality. But soon found that's not the case. Many turn Atheist, leaving mainstream religions. Others hold tighter onto their faith in religion. I know of very few who have started to look into Spiritual topics. It's not wrong, it's not for everyone. In fact, I've seen some here as a result of triggering DP through Meditation, and even specifically Eckhart Tolle's work.



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Posted 06 August 2018 - 01:38 PM

In fact, I've seen some here as a result of triggering DP through Meditation, and even specifically Eckhart Tolle's work.

Thanks for sharing!
Honestly, I think that Tolle's work triggered my obsession with time perception. When I read it I felt really uncomfortable. It happened before DR episode but now I realise that maybe it all started back then. Recently I just read some stories of enlightments, for example Osho's, and Toll's was there also.

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Posted 06 August 2018 - 03:53 PM

I was raised as an Atheist, Science Orientated Skeptic of Everything. But that all changed the very first day I woke up DP'd. I felt like I was sensing something entirely different, that didn't fit into my current/previous box of beliefs/facts. Actually I immediately began to look into Spiritual books and Meditation. I covered many different sides of spirituality. Ranging from Taoism, Zen and Buddhism... to Christian Gnosticism (basically Christianities version of Buddhism). I even got into Eckhart Tolle really early on, and other "New Age Gurus". I delved into more Nature orientated paths like Wicca and the like. Right now I'm full circle, as in all of it has culminated and come together very much eclectic like. I don't believe DP is a Spiritual Enlightenment of any sort, but it does provide, for some, the opportunity to open their minds and take a closer to look. 

 

I thought when I first found the DP community that everybody would be the same as me, open to Spirituality. But soon found that's not the case. Many turn Atheist, leaving mainstream religions. Others hold tighter onto their faith in religion. I know of very few who have started to look into Spiritual topics. It's not wrong, it's not for everyone. In fact, I've seen some here as a result of triggering DP through Meditation, and even specifically Eckhart Tolle's work.

Hello TOF how you do. Can you remember where did you see the triggering of DP through meditation specially with Tolle's work? I might have did that to myself lmao.



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Posted 06 August 2018 - 07:22 PM

I remember two members who said this happened to them. One is no longer on the forum. The other was last active in June. I could PM this person and connect you two if they're alright with that?



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Posted 07 August 2018 - 05:20 AM

Thanks for sharing!
Honestly, I think that Tolle's work triggered my obsession with time perception. When I read it I felt really uncomfortable. It happened before DR episode but now I realise that maybe it all started back then. Recently I just read some stories of enlightments, for example Osho's, and Toll's was there also.

 

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 05:44 AM

I remember two members who said this happened to them. One is no longer on the forum. The other was last active in June. I could PM this person and connect you two if they're alright with that?

Yes that would be good! I watched the video, I think I've came to a phase where I saw my ego and the personality I've build all of these years, and I came to a point to deonstruct it, but I did choose to not to, I could've maybe experience that sweet nothingness if I was able to let my self go but I choosed to not. I believe many people here could deconstruct their sense of self so easy and achieve ego death and have a better life than their current life now. Idk. These stuff is really complicating. Most of the Shinzens words are true, I'm able to create a new structure easily with positive things but I don't feel like my old self, something is off, and also I started to experience pre-awakening symptoms which is not cool and scared the fuck out of me, I wish I had never got into the meditation, I hate fucking media promoting it as a self cure for stress and depression but mindfulness is destruction of your current personality. I fucking hate people



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Posted 07 August 2018 - 07:08 AM

Hi guys, I've had this condition twice and now I have not long recovered for the 2nd time. And without a shadow of a doubt, I believe that this condition is a growth on the spiritual journey.

To truly evolve the psyche, I believe one has to feel nothing and in despair- to understand the importance of this experience for your spirit.

Before the 1st onset I was a high achieving student at sixth form, just about to do my exams. Then this hit me. I was a student very interested in western medicine and considering going into medical school; after I completed my exams.
After I had recovered (1st time), I got to see 1st hand what western medicine was doing to people. Researching alternative approaches because medicine wasn't helping, I began to connect the ambiguities that had been plaguing my onset on to a spiritual evolutionary change. Although, when I started to change the things I'd eat and generally what I would do, I started to recover. And my new perception was completely different. I became a follower of the Buddhist approach and became heavily spiritual (I was before, but it was egotistic in a sense), this was pure.

Then I started to work in a place about 2 years later that was completely stressing me out and was physically/mentally exhausting.

I got ill again, literally a week before my probation ended at the job. I quit straight away and this time I was ill for longer, by 3 months-first time was 9 months; this time a year.

I had always struggled with severe anxiety, was extremely quiet. However since I have been better, all and I mean all of my insecurities have diminished. When I walk into a room I feel completely different to than before. I talk to anyone, my diet is strictly organic now, I feel as though I have a telepathic understanding with the universe and can predict things, intuitively. This innate sense of purpose and mystical'ity' have only developed after the 2nd time that I was ill.

Depending on what you believe in, I want to share my understanding from a metaphysical point of view.

We all go through this 'transformation' in order to purge your body of everything that it had been carrying over the course of our lives. People who have this condition, 9/10, weren't living a sustained life and the spirit needed to shake you to make you look within. With this condition you can't be looking out at the external world expecting doctors and other people to take control. It's asking you to look within and change aspects of yourself that don't serve you. I also believe that people who have this condition have a spiritual/mystical gift. Although some don't know it yet. But when you recover it all comes to you.

This is an illness that inspires you to be the best person you can be once you escape the torture.

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 07:27 AM

This is an illness that inspires you to be the best person you can be once you escape the torture.

Hi Sean!
Could you please tell more about how diet helped you? Sometimes I think I should quit meat to recover...

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 07:28 AM

And what else you changed in your lifestyle?

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 08:31 AM

I cut out sugar. I believe sugar is one of the worst culprits in our diet. It inflames the body, which disrupts the immune system. So illnesses are harder to recover from. I cut out that and gluten. Gluten gave me brain fog and made me feel even more spaced out. And recently I've started eating organic food. It is more expensive, however it is essential that you avoid chemicals and toxins in the pesticides. Eat your fruit and veg raw, on an organic diet. You don't have to eat as much, So even on organic food it's not that much more expensive in the long run.
Eating raw you retrieve all the nutrients to help you. Cooking removes up to 80% or so (estimate I read something about it ages ago so may be higher or lower). Or do raw before 4pm. After that you can eat cooked.

Also I took up a new hobby. I started playing the guitar and singing. Even with dp&dr, when I felt brain fogged to the point of having a blank mind and daydreaming all day, scared to socialise. I would just sit all day playing the guitar and recording myself. Even when I had this condition, I got really into it. It helped distract me.

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 08:35 AM

Hi guys, I've had this condition twice and now I have not long recovered for the 2nd time. And without a shadow of a doubt, I believe that this condition is a growth on the spiritual journey.

To truly evolve the psyche, I believe one has to feel nothing and in despair- to understand the importance of this experience for your spirit.

Before the 1st onset I was a high achieving student at sixth form, just about to do my exams. Then this hit me. I was a student very interested in western medicine and considering going into medical school; after I completed my exams.
After I had recovered (1st time), I got to see 1st hand what western medicine was doing to people. Researching alternative approaches because medicine wasn't helping, I began to connect the ambiguities that had been plaguing my onset on to a spiritual evolutionary change. Although, when I started to change the things I'd eat and generally what I would do, I started to recover. And my new perception was completely different. I became a follower of the Buddhist approach and became heavily spiritual (I was before, but it was egotistic in a sense), this was pure.

Then I started to work in a place about 2 years later that was completely stressing me out and was physically/mentally exhausting.

I got ill again, literally a week before my probation ended at the job. I quit straight away and this time I was ill for longer, by 3 months-first time was 9 months; this time a year.

I had always struggled with severe anxiety, was extremely quiet. However since I have been better, all and I mean all of my insecurities have diminished. When I walk into a room I feel completely different to than before. I talk to anyone, my diet is strictly organic now, I feel as though I have a telepathic understanding with the universe and can predict things, intuitively. This innate sense of purpose and mystical'ity' have only developed after the 2nd time that I was ill.

Depending on what you believe in, I want to share my understanding from a metaphysical point of view.

We all go through this 'transformation' in order to purge your body of everything that it had been carrying over the course of our lives. People who have this condition, 9/10, weren't living a sustained life and the spirit needed to shake you to make you look within. With this condition you can't be looking out at the external world expecting doctors and other people to take control. It's asking you to look within and change aspects of yourself that don't serve you. I also believe that people who have this condition have a spiritual/mystical gift. Although some don't know it yet. But when you recover it all comes to you.

This is an illness that inspires you to be the best person you can be once you escape the torture.

I don't think I am able to understand what you write here. You got DP/DR out of no where and cured yourself and your views about your ambitions changed? And spirituality helped how? I don't want to look like an asshole but we have a tendency to connect the dots we think they connect and create a fasnicating movie for ourselves. The thing is most of the people who get DP/DR has weak sense of self, if you surf on these forums you'll understand from the speech of people. They are, we are, weak in a sense, mentally, emotionally whatever, something in our foundation is not stabile as other people. Most of the people are traumatized or emotionally neglected or abused if you ask me. And I think that is true. As for as coming to your proposition, I really don't think I did understand it fully but I'll try to give my comment from what I've understand and what I think about this subject lately. Buddhism is strictly a progress to seeing nothingness and destruction of sense of self a.k.a Ego self to reunite with your pure Higher self, which this Higher self is your soul. You can seperate your psyche to three ways, body, mind, and soul. Mind symbolizes the Ego, so most of the people according to the Buddhists are controlled by the Mind, Ego. But for us our mind has rejected us, or we rejected our mind because it was so painful to bear. So it did create a sense of dissociation, depersonalization because we distanced ourselves from our sense of self that we've been long accepted. I believe people like us would proceed in spiritual Buddhism so fast because at start we don't have a strong self, which we can destroy it quite easily, that's what I saw with myself. And also I support that people like us shouldn't seek spiritual escape without a guidance because it might get too risky. You might get hell when you bargained from salvation form your old corrupted and weakened and DP/DR'ed sense of self. These are blurred waters. I believe the solution of DP/DR should be searched within Ego Death, as I said, that is a possible salvation style, and it can be easily achieved than other people, but it would be risky without a teacher. So as far as I can tell, with dropping stress levels and using acceptance on everything(world is not real? Ok whatever attitude), high aerobic exercises(sprinting like an animal), and generating positive emotions by gratitude, these may look corny and easy on the writing but these things are not achieved by %90 people on earth and now you gotta set these standards for your new life to escape the trap your brain set out for you. I hope I'm able to convey what I think.






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