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#25 Space Addict

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Posted 14 December 2006 - 08:37 PM

Have you ever heard this song of Morcheeba? 'Fear can stop you loving' ?
Well its true :)

Simply because if you're afraid you will shoot into your head instead of your body. All your emotions are in your body, not in your head, this is 100% true. That's it... no medicine will help, no psychologist will help, no psychiatrist will help. Stop relying on outer things, start curing yourself. Stop spending days behind the computer, start getting out the house. How do you expect to have emotions when you don't get in touch with other people and their emotions ?

Morcheeba - Fear and Love
We always have a choice
Or at least I think we do
We can always use our voice
I thought this to be true
We can live in fear
Extend our selves to love
We can fall below
Or lift our selves above
Fear can stop you loving
Love can stop your fear
Fear can stop you loving
But it's not always that clear
I always try so hard
To share my self around
But now I'm closing up again
Drilling through the ground
Fear can stop you loving
Love can stop your fear
Fear can stop you loving
But it's not always that clear
I'd love to give my self away
But I find it hard to trust
I've got no map to find my way
Amongst these clouds of dust
Fear can stop you loving
Love can stop your fear
Fear can stop you loving
Love can stop your fear
Fear can stop you loving
Love can stop your fear
Fear can stop you loving
But it's not always that clear [4x][/b]


i have this Album and the song is so true. Also i watched the movie Apacolypto which stated a good point that "fear is a sickness"

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 07:02 AM

I belive this is what has happened to me, where i am not in my body anymore. However, i have visual snow and floaters and i never had these before. Its very annnoying and i dont know if it would go away with this method.

Any thoughts?

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 09:09 AM

Some questions..

Do you think you think too much ?
Do you think you analyze yourself too much ?

I think you do. You think too much because you're afraid. If you're afraid you don't thrust yourself or other people because you think they could hurt you. Because of this you're thinking too much because you don't thrust yourself. This has to do with feeling safe.
If you would feel safe you would go into your body again and you would stop thinking so damn much. This overthinking causes you to think you have 'visual snow' or it's a self-protection of your body/mind.

Please try getting into your body again. Buy Peter Levine's books. I just bought them and they're great.

You need to thrust your "felt sense" again. Which means you have to thrust on your body, what you feel with your body. If you thrust this completely you will start to feel again.

Scientific books about depression say that depressed people are 70% in their minds/head and 30% in their body. I think people with 'dp/dr' are 95% in their minds and 5% in their body.
Change this and you get cured.

I'm not cured yet, but im working on it. I cured myself one time within 30 minutes of body scanning. Unfortunately I shot up to my head again. When I was in my body I never felt this happy before, I was even thankful to the ones causing my trauma so I had this amazing experience. Getting back into your body is one of the most magical things on earth.

I wish you all the luck in the world. And please contact me if you have questions.

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Posted 26 December 2006 - 09:16 AM

Well i do think alot but before i was locked in my head, i did this too. Its the quality and depth of the thinking thats changed really. I can think really deeply now whereas i couldent before because i wasnt experinced enough in life.

I think you are right when you talk about the mind/body stuff. It does feel like that and when i concentrated on the outside world i entered the body and my oh my i knew that it was the normal way to be. We miss out on so much because of this, but i accept that because thats what is happening now and i need to fix that and not worry about it.

I think that being on the computer so much really doesnt help because its very mind numbing for me and i am practacally in my head all the time. Its got worse over time due to pc use so i have to stop that.

I just find it hard to concentrate on feeling with my body because it takes up so much energy i feel. And i cant do anything else but concentrate on my body because it also takes up all of my focus.

Thanks for your kind words. 8)

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Posted 27 December 2006 - 10:04 AM

Thanks for your reply.

Please understand that the reason why you always thought to much was fear. At some point this fear gets too big for you to handle and then you completely lock yourself in your head. Overthinking & fear causes emotional numbness. You just stopped trusting in yourself and others. Because of this you don't thrust your "felt sense" anymore. It takes a lot of courage to just trust in your body feelings.

When fear becomes too big you just let your thoughts take over control to protect you. For example, when you get hurt big time by some human you don't trust any human anymore, you're afraid to get hurt again. Because of this you analyze people to see if they can hurt you somehow. By thought analyzing instead of emotional analyzing you stop emotions.

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Posted 28 December 2006 - 09:17 AM

lostsoul,

I have to correct you in saying that i wasnt always fearing people before this all happened. But i feel that just now i do over analyze, so your technique would work.

Speaking of your technique, could you let me know how you do it? And if it works then i know that my body energy is messed up and its all in my head mostly, and then i will belive all that stuff... i kinda do anyway but it would be great if you could let me know :)

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Posted 28 December 2006 - 09:51 AM

Hi to all you brave souls,

I am completely new to this forum and this is my first post but have been so comforted over a testing xmas from reading your posts and especially that of lostsoul re The Body Scan solution.

I have been dissociated for just over 7 years - 5 of which I was in therapy - but only found a name for this suffering last week when I found this site. When I googled my symptoms over the first 4 years I got nothing I could relate to and my therapist at the time never would give me any kind of diagnosis (I may well email her a link to the site with a rather p***ed off note to go with it).

Though I haven't ever been fully 'back' since the BIG ONSET I never stopped living life, socialising, working and often spent whole therapy sessions on The Mask I lived behind. I've hardly told a soul about this condition in 7 years because just discussing it makes it worse. Since the onset brought on by big trauma (I had little episodes in the years leading up) I have had several other traumas which send me deeper or set me back.

I would like to say that the closest I've ever been to being fully present was whilst on a retreat and fast in Thailand during daily mediation and yoga. However the moment I got back to family (the heart if the problem) and London, stresses would bring on depression, an eating disorder and the 'floaters' that disturb my vision would make it hard to make things out and I'd feel completely out of my body, though not emotionless.

All this while I held down a job, got married, am divorcing, 'acted normal' but felt miserable, cut off and desperate inside. I am now living and working in Cyprus and am finally starting to deal with this trauma (I am having biweekly hypnoanalysis and reflexology) and live a life without stresses - except those that I create and are within me.

Last week I body scanned while reading lostsoul's post as I sat at the PC and felt immediately more 'here' - I have been doing this daily and things get worse and better daily as a result but I have had a headache hanging round ever since and I wonder if this could be part of the process of 'coming back', or is nothing to do with it?

Has anyone else experienced headaches with this disorder or with a shift in symptoms? I have other theories I would like to run by you all regarding BARBARA BRENNAN'S theories on the schizoid character strategy but I will save these for another time.

As someone who has experienced both deep and currently shallow levels of DP/DR I know how it can shift and sometimes fade to barely noticeable all within hours. Don't give up hope that YOUR shift is just around the corner. I truly believe there is a reason I chose to hide in here and I will find one to leave also.

You're all amazing
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Posted 28 December 2006 - 02:52 PM

Dear annie_oohs,

What a wonderful post full of love and positivity! About the headache, I have no idea if its normal while 'body scanning'. Please try the following; Do a body scan and at the same time think about the things you don't want to face. I think the reason we got in this state is because we don't want to relate the trauma with ourselves. Like 'No, this didn't happen to ME! I imagined my life to be completely perfect! This is not possible!'. We are big perfectionists who can't handle pain (sorry for the generalization).

I don't think you can think your way out of dp/dr (certainly not me since my thinking is completely detached).

I can't do this somehow, but the advice I got several times is to laugh about your trauma and to make a fool out of yourself.

annie_oohs, i would love to chat more with you. Can you add me to your yahoo list ? My ID is johan_struijk

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 03:20 PM

Lost soul I feel your posts are the most honest and helpful posts I have read in this entire website! Theres no bullshit only rock hard common sense and healing in the suggestions you make. I do a breathwork therapy and when I do it which is every few days I can actually feel the energy current/lifeforce you mention, (which in my case got stuck up in my head from smoking dope), moving down into my body and circulating there. When I started using the breathing, the energy would only move down from the head a short way, now I have it swirling around in my belly when I breathe.

Theres some point I feel where the mind meets the body and they integrate there and emotions arise, this point in the body which as you say ideally would be in the belly, can become "loose" and you can float up into the mind and get chronically stuck up there as in DP/DR. The journey I FEEL is to get that lifeforce/energy current and anchor it down permanently in the body, down low in the belly region. Thats what I'm working on personally right now, because of years of overthinking and analysing though, it takes time to unlearn the habit of going into the mind to try and think oneself through a situation and to feel it instead. Its basically unlearning a very bad self defeating habit and replacing it with a
very healthy self enriching one which at first you have to conciously focus on until it becomes second nature and then you can let go of it as a concious act as it will be automatic all the time then. Practice anything like yoga, tai chi or exercise in general that encourages body awareness and feeling plus do anything that gets the emotions flowing again for you. Replace thinking ones way through life people with feeling and all will be well........including you! Godspeed to you all

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 07:19 PM

okay so you just lie down. and you focus on what emotions? negative ones? ones that you feel? what if all you feel is terrible bad feelings. you are supposed to focus on them?!? that would make me feel like shit. What if they continute indefinately for me? Is there some point where you feel them enough, and then you start to feel good emotions?

Very confused.....can somebody please explain the basic steps of this peter levine stuff for me again.


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Posted 31 December 2006 - 04:02 AM

Ok, this excersise isn't mentioned in peter levine's books because its one of my own.

First you need to focuson your body for lets say 15 minutes. Concentrate on your toes, back of your feet, etc. etc. Feel it! Now concentrate on the things you are denying. This isn't negative but very positive. To accept the things you're denying is extremely positive.

Just experiment with it, you will see the results if you take it seriously and have a bit of faith.

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Posted 31 December 2006 - 09:09 AM

How do you accept what you are denying if you dont know all the things you are denying. How would you find out? If you try to think about it all, then would that not make it worse?




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