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#13 *Dreamer*

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 12:00 PM

Took too much of an antipsychotic now I'm psychotic and numb as well.

I am confused by this statement.

As many have noted, Abilify is not always used for pscyosis or schiozphrenia.  It is used to help with depression and other issues.  Many medications of all kinds (not just for psychiatric issues) are used for reasons other than what they were originally developed for.

Your doctor giving you Abilify for DP/DR as a first choice ... well, I would suggest other meds first ... and really don't like that.  But when you say "I have now become schizoprhenic" -- did the doctor literally give you that diagnosis?

My concern is you are afraid that severe symptoms of DP/DR are schizophrenia or psychosis and they are NOT.  I have DP/DR, depression and severe anxiety.  I have considered Abilify on and off for years.  Years ago I was given older anitpsychotics -- Stellazine and something else -- just briefly.  They made my DP/DR HORRIBLE.  But when I went off of them, I felt better ... back to where I started ... and I was NOT psychotic.  They have tranquilizing properties.

Again, have you diagnosed yourself as having schizophrenia?  Or is your DP/DR very bad and you are thinking you have some form of psychosis. What does your doctor say.

As noted here over and over -- DP/DR is NOT psycosis/schizophrenia, etc.

I wish you could explain further.

Also, I continue to resist taking Abilify as I do not want to feel worse -- DP/DR.  For all I know it could help me feel less depressed, but I am afraid it will make my DP/DR worse.  It is a risk/benefit decision I have made.  I could change my mind next year, but I feel the meds I'm on are helpng me the most, and are the recommended medications for DP/DR.

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 12:32 PM

My concern is you are afraid that severe symptoms of DP/DR are schizophrenia or psychosis and they are NOT. I have DP/DR, depression and severe anxiety. I have considered Abilify on and off for years. Years ago I was given older anitpsychotics -- Stellazine and something else -- just briefly. They made my DP/DR HORRIBLE. But when I went off of them, I felt better ... back to where I started ... and I was NOT psychotic. They have tranquilizing properties.
Again, have you diagnosed yourself as having schizophrenia? Or is your DP/DR very bad and you are thinking you have some form of psychosis. What does your doctor say.
As noted here over and over -- DP/DR is NOT psycosis/schizophrenia, etc.

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Not a doctor, but my DPDR anecdotal opinion is that DP and psychosis are kind of like polar opposites. Instead of reacting to stimuli that you wouldn't normally consider objective (activity in the auditory cortex is perceived as if it's an objective voice), you have this awareness that activity you would normally consider objective is subjective (all sounds, while they can be *caused* by other people, *are* 'you'). A medicine that is strictly used as an antipsychotic is probably the worst thing you can give to someone with DP.

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 01:26 PM

Actually, if it was abilify that I had taken, I would be okay because it doesn't antagonize dopamine fully. Zyprexa is what I was on, and it antagonizes fully, therefore I became unable to think and process emotions properly, and have become schizophrenic. I don't have DP



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Posted 20 December 2014 - 05:13 PM

Actually, if it was abilify that I had taken, I would be okay because it doesn't antagonize dopamine fully. Zyprexa is what I was on, and it antagonizes fully, therefore I became unable to think and process emotions properly, and have become schizophrenic. I don't have DP

So, in other words you were diagnosed by a doctor as having schizoprhenia?  You were given Zyprexa?  It made you worse, you developed DP/DR?  I'm still not clear.

I can understand a Zyprexa Rx if a doctor saw you exhibiting symptoms of schizoprhenia.  However, from the brief description you have given re: how you feel ... well it's impossible over the internet ... but, well, I wanted to know if your doctor has diagnosed you specifically with schizophrenia (or even bipolar -- Zyprexa is used for that as well).  I am still not clear on that.

And to the best of my understanding, even you started out WITHOUT any psychotic disorder, taking Zyprexa in theory would not cause you to develop schizoprhenia.

Sorry, I am confused.
I hope this gets sorted out.

 



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Posted 20 December 2014 - 05:21 PM

Not a doctor, but my DPDR anecdotal opinion is that DP and psychosis are kind of like polar opposites. Instead of reacting to stimuli that you wouldn't normally consider objective (activity in the auditory cortex is perceived as if it's an objective voice), you have this awareness that activity you would normally consider objective is subjective (all sounds, while they can be *caused* by other people, *are* 'you'). A medicine that is strictly used as an antipsychotic is probably the worst thing you can give to someone with DP.

I would agree that many state (and I said this myself) that anti-psychotics make DP/DR worse in MANY cases.  I have told my doctors over the years this is why I do not want to take it.  They think it could help.  Old versions of it have made me feel like a dead ghost, but I wasn't psychotic.  My DP/DR was the WORST it could be, but I was not psychotic.

Also, I don't see DP/DR and schizoprhenia as polar opposites.  They are completely different disorders.

I would carry on, but I am tired.  We will have to agree to disagree.
I have seen far too many psychiatrists, therapists, resident psychiatrists, etc. over the years.  Not one of them has ever seen me as psychotic, even when I have had hideous episodes of DP/DR.  I have been near hospitalization on a few occasions in my life.  Mainly for feeling truly suicidal -- due to my despiar over my DP/DR.  But I was always of sound mind.

Recommendations to go into hte hospital were mainly say a 4 day voluntary admission for a "time out."  No meds changes.

I fear a good number of doctors hear patients talk about DP/DR, and jump to the conclusion (as I've heard here) that this is "prodromal schizophrenia" -- in a young person.  That makes me want to scream.  No, no, no.

And I am also troubled by self-diagnosis.  Note if you disagree with a diagnosis you never have to go back to a particular doctor, and do not have to take any medication they plan to prescribe.

 

I've been through this for decades.  I am concerned for young people who work with doctors who are clueless.  In 1975, I was diagnosed with DP/DR almost immediately.  I was never given an antipsychotic (those at the time were heavy duty -- Haldol for one).  I was given Imipramine -- an antidepressant which did nothing.  SSRIs had not even come onto the market.

Again.  Good luck to all figuring this stuff out.
It makes me weary.



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Posted 20 December 2014 - 07:01 PM

I'm taking zyprexa (olanzapine) 2.5mg for drug induced anxiety dpdr. I think it helped me for the first couple of weeks now I don't think I want to take it anymore but im too scared to stop now lol. I don't think it's possible to get phycosis from anti phycotic meds that makes no sense? If it was gonna happen it'll happen either way that's what my doc said.

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 10:41 PM

There is no indication that anti-psychtics is helpful for DP. Abilify for a psychotic state is 10-30.mg. I tried Abilify in 5.mg and I got more anxious and got more DP. DP is in itself an aversive state-you can't have DP in a manic state because DP inhibition of nucleus acc. I took 2.mg of clonazepam for my abilify anxiety and it took 50% of the DP then -it work for 6.months.



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Posted 20 December 2014 - 11:31 PM

There is no indication that anti-psychtics is helpful for DP. Abilify for a psychotic state is 10-30.mg. I tried Abilify in 5.mg and I got more anxious and got more DP. DP is in itself an aversive state-you can't have DP in a manic state because DP inhibition of nucleus acc. I took 2.mg of clonazepam for my abilify anxiety and it took 50% of the DP then -it work for 6.months.



Every person's experience is varied. Please don't disclude treatment options solely based off of personal experience.

For abilify and how it has helped depersonalization, please read the following thread...

http://www.dpselfhel...ses-july-2-2014

I believe abilify can especially help some people.

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Posted 21 December 2014 - 07:31 AM

I would agree that many state (and I said this myself) that anti-psychotics make DP/DR worse in MANY cases.  I have told my doctors over the years this is why I do not want to take it.  They think it could help.  Old versions of it have made me feel like a dead ghost, but I wasn't psychotic.  My DP/DR was the WORST it could be, but I was not psychotic.
Also, I don't see DP/DR and schizoprhenia as polar opposites.  They are completely different disorders.
I would carry on, but I am tired.  We will have to agree to disagree.
I have seen far too many psychiatrists, therapists, resident psychiatrists, etc. over the years.  Not one of them has ever seen me as psychotic, even when I have had hideous episodes of DP/DR.  I have been near hospitalization on a few occasions in my life.  Mainly for feeling truly suicidal -- due to my despiar over my DP/DR.  But I was always of sound mind.
Recommendations to go into hte hospital were mainly say a 4 day voluntary admission for a "time out."  No meds changes.
I fear a good number of doctors hear patients talk about DP/DR, and jump to the conclusion (as I've heard here) that this is "prodromal schizophrenia" -- in a young person.  That makes me want to scream.  No, no, no.
And I am also troubled by self-diagnosis.  Note if you disagree with a diagnosis you never have to go back to a particular doctor, and do not have to take any medication they plan to prescribe.
 
I've been through this for decades.  I am concerned for young people who work with doctors who are clueless.  In 1975, I was diagnosed with DP/DR almost immediately.  I was never given an antipsychotic (those at the time were heavy duty -- Haldol for one).  I was given Imipramine -- an antidepressant which did nothing.  SSRIs had not even come onto the market.
Again.  Good luck to all figuring this stuff out.
It makes me weary.


I think we do agree. What I meant is that they are completely different - so different that they are almost opposite things. My concerns are also the same as yours as far as misdiagnosis goes. Given some of the metaphor and simile used to describe DP, an unexperienced or hasty doctor could interpret it as psychosis or prodromal psychosis. Being misdiagnosed with psychosis and being prescribed medications that are used specifically for psychosis would be absolutely disastrous (for anyone really, but especially bad for DP because the brain already has some unusual stuff going on that such medication can make even worse).

My understanding as far as this specific thread goes is that OP wasn't actually prescribed anti-psychs for DP symptoms. This is good, but like you I'm now confused about why the medication was originally prescribed.

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Posted 21 December 2014 - 08:47 AM

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1)"We have seen a number of cases where patients with primary depersonalisation had been previously misdiagnosed with schizophrenia and started on antipsychotic medications, which had invariably worsened their symptoms." http://apt.rcpsych.o...nt/11/2/92.full

2) DP is both a disorder and a symptom. It some disorders like OCD and Depression the DP symptoms will go away when they are treated. Antipsychotic drug are used in OCD states with succes -particularly if it is tourette syndrome related. That is not DP as a primarily disorder but as a secondary symptom to a other disorder -OCD.



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Posted 21 December 2014 - 12:00 PM

Sigh. You can find fault with anything can't you.

So what is your suggested method to treat depersonalization?

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Posted 21 December 2014 - 12:16 PM

There is no official treatment for DP- however a combination of a SSRI/SNRI and clonazepam and/or lamictal has show so partial effect in some. CBT and mindfulness/acceptence related therapies has been the most promising.






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