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#37 Want2lifeagain

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Posted 09 January 2021 - 01:37 AM

Lemin have you any feel weak muscle and fatigue ?

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Posted 09 January 2021 - 06:00 AM

Lemin have you any feel weak muscle and fatigue ?

I think I have interacted with you on youtube about a guy experiences with rTMS at the right VLPFC. You live in Jakarta, Indonesia and plans to go to Hungary for rTMS. Here you made and identical complaint about being psychically weak, having fatigue, pain in extremities. I wrote to there that these symptoms are not symptoms of depersonalization disorder. When I was in Hungary there was a guy from Norway who was active on this forum too who thought he had depersonalization; "it has to be depersonalization". He had depersonalization symptoms in addition to other symptoms like fatigue, feeling weak. He formal diagnosis was the functional disorder "chronic fatigue syndrome" were the nervous system acts like in is fighting with a virus infection or something similar. The nervous system is in a immobilization state due to this and it gives the depersonalization related symptoms. The Norwegian guy is not active on this site anymore as if he have given up on the idea of having depersonalization. Going to Hungary to replicate a very small experimental trial for a disorder you might not have seems to me as being not well considered from you part. 



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Posted 09 January 2021 - 02:33 PM

I think I have interacted with you on youtube about a guy experiences with rTMS at the right VLPFC. You live in Jakarta, Indonesia and plans to go to Hungary for rTMS. Here you made and identical complaint about being psychically weak, having fatigue, pain in extremities. I wrote to there that these symptoms are not symptoms of depersonalization disorder. When I was in Hungary there was a guy from Norway who was active on this forum too who thought he had depersonalization; "it has to be depersonalization". He had depersonalization symptoms in addition to other symptoms like fatigue, feeling weak. He formal diagnosis was the functional disorder "chronic fatigue syndrome" were the nervous system acts like in is fighting with a virus infection or something similar. The nervous system is in a immobilization state due to this and it gives the depersonalization related symptoms. The Norwegian guy is not active on this site anymore as if he have given up on the idea of having depersonalization. Going to Hungary to replicate a very small experimental trial for a disorder you might not have seems to me as being not well considered from you part.


But I feel disconnect realy .. are you have any feel fatigue weakmuscle and restless like me ???

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Posted 09 January 2021 - 02:33 PM

I think I have interacted with you on youtube about a guy experiences with rTMS at the right VLPFC. You live in Jakarta, Indonesia and plans to go to Hungary for rTMS. Here you made and identical complaint about being psychically weak, having fatigue, pain in extremities. I wrote to there that these symptoms are not symptoms of depersonalization disorder. When I was in Hungary there was a guy from Norway who was active on this forum too who thought he had depersonalization; "it has to be depersonalization". He had depersonalization symptoms in addition to other symptoms like fatigue, feeling weak. He formal diagnosis was the functional disorder "chronic fatigue syndrome" were the nervous system acts like in is fighting with a virus infection or something similar. The nervous system is in a immobilization state due to this and it gives the depersonalization related symptoms. The Norwegian guy is not active on this site anymore as if he have given up on the idea of having depersonalization. Going to Hungary to replicate a very small experimental trial for a disorder you might not have seems to me as being not well considered from you part.


But I feel disconnect realy .. are you have any feel fatigue weakmuscle and restless like me ???

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Posted 09 January 2021 - 02:52 PM

no, i dont have those symptoms. Those are not symptoms related to depersonalization disorder. I sounds to me that you might have some DP/DR secondary to another condition. I thought that it might be related to "Chronic fatigue syndrome"/CFS. There are several posts on this site with people with CFS who have DP/DR secondary to it. https://www.dpselfhe...2-cfsme/?hl=cfs



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Posted 10 January 2021 - 12:35 AM

no, i dont have those symptoms. Those are not symptoms related to depersonalization disorder. I sounds to me that you might have some DP/DR secondary to another condition. I thought that it might be related to "Chronic fatigue syndrome"/CFS. There are several posts on this site with people with CFS who have DP/DR secondary to it. https://www.dpselfhe...2-cfsme/?hl=cfs


i have cfs and brainfog from 2010 but in 2020 it got worse (derealized) after i got severe tightness anxiety ..

do you think my derealization is still cfs related or a new problem?

which part of the brain plays a role in this?

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Posted 10 January 2021 - 05:40 AM

I think it is related. There can be setbacks in CFS from what I have read. Likely that. There is a structure deep in the brain called the "periagueductal gray" that regulates different stages of the anatomic functions in the nervous system. In people with PTSD and dissociation (DP/DR) this structure have shifted into a immobilization state. In CFS this structure have also shifted towards immobilization but more in reaction to a psychical state in the body and not a psychological threat. You can have derealisation/depersonalisation to a fever too. So, you likely get overlapping symptoms to a state that are not related. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC5462926/



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Posted 10 January 2021 - 02:39 PM

You likely suffer from fibromyalgia. Along with pain you also develop problems with depression and anxiety. There have been some rTMS trials done in fibromyalgia at locations that is very easy to replicate with a conventional rTMS equipment. Both the left DLPFC have been tried with stimulation high frequency for fatigue and low frequency at the right DLPFC for pain. 

 

Here is the low frequency trial at the right DLPFC: https://advancesinrh...358-020-00135-7

Here is the high frequency at the left DLPFC:https://onlinelibrar...0.1002/ejp.1213

 

Any rTMS provider should be able to do a replication of these trials without any problems. There are rTMS providers in Jakarta. 

 

You likely have to try 10.sessions at one locations to see if you have any benefits. If so then take 15-20.session. If not try the other location. 



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Posted 12 January 2021 - 11:00 AM

You likely suffer from fibromyalgia. Along with pain you also develop problems with depression and anxiety. There have been some rTMS trials done in fibromyalgia at locations that is very easy to replicate with a conventional rTMS equipment. Both the left DLPFC have been tried with stimulation high frequency for fatigue and low frequency at the right DLPFC for pain.

Here is the low frequency trial at the right DLPFC: https://advancesinrh...358-020-00135-7
Here is the high frequency at the left DLPFC:https://onlinelibrar...0.1002/ejp.1213

Any rTMS provider should be able to do a replication of these trials without any problems. There are rTMS providers in Jakarta.

You likely have to try 10.sessions at one locations to see if you have any benefits. If so then take 15-20.session. If not try the other location.


You're nice boy .. I will try learn from your link

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Posted 12 January 2021 - 11:03 AM

You likely suffer from fibromyalgia. Along with pain you also develop problems with depression and anxiety. There have been some rTMS trials done in fibromyalgia at locations that is very easy to replicate with a conventional rTMS equipment. Both the left DLPFC have been tried with stimulation high frequency for fatigue and low frequency at the right DLPFC for pain.

Here is the low frequency trial at the right DLPFC: https://advancesinrh...358-020-00135-7
Here is the high frequency at the left DLPFC:https://onlinelibrar...0.1002/ejp.1213

Any rTMS provider should be able to do a replication of these trials without any problems. There are rTMS providers in Jakarta.

You likely have to try 10.sessions at one locations to see if you have any benefits. If so then take 15-20.session. If not try the other location.


But I don't have pain .. I have is fatigue, the left eye is more unclear .. weak muscle especially on the right side .. arm hand foot legs feel hot like burning chilies

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Posted 12 January 2021 - 11:12 AM

You likely suffer from fibromyalgia. Along with pain you also develop problems with depression and anxiety. There have been some rTMS trials done in fibromyalgia at locations that is very easy to replicate with a conventional rTMS equipment. Both the left DLPFC have been tried with stimulation high frequency for fatigue and low frequency at the right DLPFC for pain.

Here is the low frequency trial at the right DLPFC: https://advancesinrh...358-020-00135-7
Here is the high frequency at the left DLPFC:https://onlinelibrar...0.1002/ejp.1213

Any rTMS provider should be able to do a replication of these trials without any problems. There are rTMS providers in Jakarta.

You likely have to try 10.sessions at one locations to see if you have any benefits. If so then take 15-20.session. If not try the other location.


And agitation restless legs

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Posted 12 January 2021 - 11:17 AM

But I don't have pain .. I have is fatigue, the left eye is more unclear .. weak muscle especially on the right side .. arm hand foot legs feel hot like burning chilies

If a neurologist cannot find anything abnormal it typically with the group of disorders called "functional disorders" where people have neurological like symptoms that can not be explained neurologically . "Chronic fatigue syndrome" and "fibromyalgia" is within functional disorders.  This is rTMS for "Chronic fatigue syndrome" that is easy to replicate . https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC5216154/






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