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#1 RunToMe

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 09:31 AM

You can find involuntarily inner or intereoceptive processes in many aspects of an organism or human being (sleeping, heartbeat, breathing and so on).  That is the same for dp topics in solipsism, perception, emotions, moving and more you can imagine. A trigger (trauma, weed...) makes a suddenly interruption in that normally unconscious fixed unit which starting in vulnerable persons the vicious circle of anxiety and perpetuate it so deploy a alienation to your own self, to people or environment because those functions are disturbed due to give not needed attention

 

The brain is a high economic system (for all nerve cells actions a lot of oxygen  and energy etc is needed) so all repetitive mental processes are going on, will quick automated or gets unconsious. That means that your thoughts still working unconscious and you only recognize conscious your metabolism and your (in that case most negativ or emotional numbed) emotions . After automated thoughts it is difficult to make the link to metabolism and emotions.

 

An abstract or formalized scheme aforementioned developed in cognitive behavious therapy (cbt) is the S-O - R - K- C-scheme and the A-B-C-D-E- scheme:

 

S (Stimuli)

O (organism included schedule cognition/thoughts - metabolism - emotions)

R (reaction or behaviour, goes back to organism in metaprocessing)

K (contingency)

c (consequences, goes back in metaprocessing)

 

A (action)

B (believe; organism with cognition/thoughts - metabolism - emotions)

C (consequences or behaviour, goes back to organism in metaprocessing)

D ( inner debate)

E ( effects like conclusions you do, goes back to organism in metaprocessing)


Sure a better and more effective way than the "brooding chair" is to lower the anxious circle of thoughts, worrying or anxiety in the way you begin a so called "angel circle" of positive thinking, which changes your negative belief sooner or later. With the angel circle you can start the possibility of a normal, well being functioning again, because it will be automated as quick as the viscious circle. This works quicker and better when you get the same conviction as you have/had it in the starting of the viscious cycle, which is proven in accompanying strong anxiety/ panic attacks.

 
Even when you dont feel or not to be convicted in that moment, you should start a angel circle of positive thinking and affirmations in the way you start an inner dialog or even say it loud to you ("i will improve", "i can do positive things meanwile my disorder ", "i have self-efficacy", i can distract, things will change, in doing things i can get pleasure back, my body works well without my attention, i am safety and so on). You find a lot of books of affirmations with countless examples you can use everday, every hour or every minute.Beside that you can hang up your chosen affirmations in papers at the wall in your room.
 
So the process of automation is a fact, it only works slowly or quicker (depends from your positive belief; unfortunalety you are now in force of strong worrying and anxiety, whereby your positive beliefs at first is less), but it works and your worrying and anxiety will fade out.
 
Finally an example for the quick process of automation (sure much simpler) :
All which have a driver license, may remember the first hour of learning driving and to shift gears, knows how laborious and how much consciousness is necessary for that. Already after a few repetitions you get caught that you are in a high gear without knowing how you have done it, because it was fast automated respective slipped into the subconscious. And it goes so quick because you had the belief "i can do it" unwritten.

 



#2 PerfectFifth

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 07:01 PM

 :All which have a driver license, may remember the first hour of learning driving and to shift gears, knows how laborious and how much consciousness is necessary for that. Already after a few repetitions you get caught that you are in a high gear without knowing how you have done it, because it was fast automated respective slipped into the subconscious. And it goes so quick because you had the belief "i can do it" unwritten.

 

That's nowhere near analogous. Learning motor tasks and changing beliefs about oneself aren't even in the same ballpark. 

 

It's as if you think that we have complete control over our beliefs and emotions. That's not the case. I, for example, couldn't decide to become sincerely religious, no matter how many times I told myself that God exists and painted every single wall with the text "God is real". That's because there are deterministic factors, completely beyond my control, that dictate that through the "unconscious mind".  

 

I'm skeptical about positive affirmations in general. Say, someone has a deep conviction that they're ugly. What do you think saying "I'm beautiful" will actually accomplish? I don't think it will accomplish anything at all because they don't actually *believe* it. At worst, it just reminds them of how ugly they actually think they are.

 

Finally, do you have any sources for this post? There are a lot of bold claims here. 

 

So the process of automation is a fact, it only works slowly or quicker (depends from your positive belief; unfortunalety you are now in force of strong worrying and anxiety, whereby your positive beliefs at first is less), but it works and your worrying and anxiety will fade out.

Fact, really? Last time I checked, the efficacy of positive affirmations was in severe doubt or even debunked. 



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Posted 18 June 2020 - 11:08 PM

Sure it dont work when you act against your believe or will like in religion, because for example you are atheist. And that model works more in a temporarily states (anxiety disorders a potencial temporaily) and less in personality traits.

 

The Sources:

You can find it in countless textbooks to the basics of cognitive behavious therapy especially the ABCDE-Scheme. When you can find the attempt of scientic research in such complex and subjective object like psychology or psychopathology, behaviour therapy is one of the best empirical researched topic. For example it isnt in the case of psychoanaysis, but they offer it all around the world.



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Posted 19 June 2020 - 01:36 AM

That's nowhere near analogous. Learning motor tasks and changing beliefs about oneself aren't even in the same ballpark. 

 

It's as if you think that we have complete control over our beliefs and emotions. That's not the case. I, for example, couldn't decide to become sincerely religious, no matter how many times I told myself that God exists and painted every single wall with the text "God is real". That's because there are deterministic factors, completely beyond my control, that dictate that through the "unconscious mind".  

 

I'm skeptical about positive affirmations in general. Say, someone has a deep conviction that they're ugly. What do you think saying "I'm beautiful" will actually accomplish? I don't think it will accomplish anything at all because they don't actually *believe* it. At worst, it just reminds them of how ugly they actually think they are.

 

Finally, do you have any sources for this post? There are a lot of bold claims here. 

 

Fact, really? Last time I checked, the efficacy of positive affirmations was in severe doubt or even debunked. 

 

I think learning is the same process whether it's for a task like driving or the way we think, which influences our emotions and beliefs. These are habits, at first slow and deliberate, then becoming automatic just as the OP described. If we've had lot of negative conditioning or programming in our lives we can have self-destructive thought-patterns running through our minds all the time like malware if we don't overwrite them, which we can do by establishing more constructive thinking habits until they become automatic and dominant.

 

How you approach doing this though is a skill that takes some practice and trail and error. I agree the subconscious won't accept an idea or suggestion you don't accept consciously, so just saying "I am beautiful" if you don't believe it is likely to be rejected and make you feel worse about the issue, just as you said. So you might start smaller with something the mind can accept, like, "There's nothing wrong with the way I look, I'm fine just as I am," which is reasonable, and something you can build on.

 

Another good way is to use your imagination, again not by telling yourself how you should be or feel, but by gently asking questions as suggestions, such as "How would it feel to have no problems, and to have nothing wrong with me?" You are not telling yourself, "I feel great and there's nothing wrong with me," which the mind is not likely to accept if you don't believe it, you are asking what it would be like, and in doing so beginning to imagine and practice healthier states of being.  



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Posted 19 June 2020 - 09:40 PM

I like how you chose the positive beliefs thoughtfully. They're not too unrealistic, abstract, or long term, and they don't seem like they would conflict with the vicious circle beliefs.




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