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A short sweet analysis of Dp/Dr.. Including updated supplement regimen

Posted by Tommygunz, 23 October 2010 · 1390 views

Many you of you are probably sitting there wondering what this disorder is, why it happened and how to make it go away. well for most cases there is a fairly simple answer. you over did it. their are a multitude of triggers: stress, trauma, drugs etc. what is important for you to learn and accept is that it does not matter what triggered it. the trigger is not what has allowed it to stick. what has allowed it to stick is your awareness of how you feel. self analyzing is what allows DP/DR to be prevalent in your life.

How many times have you looked at something and checked to see if your symptoms were still there? if you're like most DP/DR sufferers you do it all the time. when you wake up in the morning the first thing you do is check to see if it's gone, and it never is. right? well that is part of the problem, you checked.

What happens in DP/DR that allows it to become such a dominant part of your life is you notice it. when it triggered you may not have been aware of any immediate danger. you may have been under alot of stress at work, or just smoked a bowl with your friends. as far as you knew though you were well within your ability to tolerate the situation at hand. subconsciously though you couldn't handle it. whatever action that you took was one action too many. this action sent a signal to your brain that you had overdone something and that you needed to dissociate in order to avoid any further stress/trauma/toxic influence. so your brain triggered the fight or flight response. a state of mind that makes you essentially hyper aware so that you can better defend yourself from any threats. now as far as you were aware there was no threat. as far as you knew, you were in control just moments ago. you had nothing to fear. but now your brain is telling you that there is an immediate threat, but the only thing out of the ordinary is the way you feel. so you send the message to the brain that the threat IS the way you feel. well, now you have confirmed with your brain that there is a threat, so it maintains the fight or flight response so that you can stay in a heightened state to protect yourself. do you see where this is going? Because the feelings that come with the fight or flight response are interpereted as a threat, the threat does not cease. everytime you think about it or notice how you feel, your brain gets the message that the threat is still there. it gets locked in a self sustaining cycle.

So how do you break this cycle? simply put, you have to stop perceiving the sensations of DP/DR as a threat. you must learn and believe that they are harmless sensations. you in affect have to send the message to your brain that there is no threat, that you are safe, and that it is ok for it to deactivate the fight or flight response.

How do you do this? ignore DP/DR. move on with your life. forget about how you feel. get out and live a little. basically it will only go away once it is no longer perceived as a threat, so don't let it threaten you. don't be afraid of it. find distracting activities that allow you to not think about it. outdoor sports are a great distraction that help you relearn social skills and are a great source of exercise. go for nature walks and bike rides, go to the grocery store, out to dinner, to the movies, the book store, the library, the park, your friends house, your parents house, or even the coffee shop down the street. get out of the house, off your computer and live your life. think about the person you were before DP/DR. don't sit there and wallow wishing that you could be that person again, remind yourself that you ARE that person. i understand that it is hard at first. it doesn't get better over night. but it won't get better at all if you don't make a move in the right direction. you have to forget about DP/DR in order to recover. not really forget it exists but forget that you have it. once it is out of your mind and no longer your focus, your mind will receive the "ALL CLEAR" signal. it will see that the threat is no longer there and begin to halt the feelings of DP/DR.

I have come up with a list of supplements that help ease the symptoms to make them easier to
ignore. this list was a year in the making and is rather effective at lessening things like anxiety, obsessive thoughts and brain fog. the supplements are:

Aniracetam - 2,500 - 3,000 mg daily, 1 morning, 1 afternoon
Alpha GPC - jarrow formulas, 2 300 mg capsules daily, 1 with each Aniracetam
DMAE - jarrow formulas, 1 150 mg tablet daily
Sharp Thought - Country Life, 3 capsules daily for 1 week, then reduce to one a day
Coenzyme B Complex - Country Life, directions vary upon your sensitivity
Any USP Certified Fish Oil, high DHA content 2,000 - 5,000 mg daily

Good luck and please consult a physician about any potetial interactions with medications you may be on.




ThoughtOnFire
Oct 24 2010 01:48 PM
This is a great article post! I found it particularly hope inspiring. :)
Great post Tommy. I am slowly getting better, but its taking so much time sometimes I just wish it would be gone one day! 5 months with this shit...but at least I can function now where as at first I couldn't even get out of bed.
nice, well said
this is a great post! for the past month i have been feeling much better. i can remember when i couldn't leave the couch, but finally had enough of something else controlling me. it definitely took "baby steps", but i did it. it mentally and physically wore me out, but it felt great! i still have mild dp. now i use it as a unique feature of myself. i feel like i am able to see and sense things that no one else can (except most people on this forum). everything looks new and has a new significance. although i would never wish this apon anyone, i am happy that i have the chance to experience something so enlightening. thanks again for the post!
WOW dude, this is perfect, absolutely perfect. I have spent money on books and other things to try and figure out just exactly whats going on in my head but you summed it up in a short blog entry. It makes perfect sense, I think this information is exactly what I needed. I knew I had to forget about this thing, thats what everyone who recovers says they do. But i just didn't realize the whole "flight or flight thing" with the brain. I would feel relieved of my anxiety but still have DP, causing me to get really frustrated and question why the hell i still had it, but now I know why its because I was still uncomfortable with the feeling, my brain still didn't accept it subconsciously. Now I totally understand and know what I have to do completely!!! holy crap I feel a lot more confident now.... I think you may have saved a life here tommygunz.
In your topic "read this if you want to recover" you recommended the supplement Alpha GPC - jarrow formulas, 300 - 600 mg and not the fish oil.
Here in these list you recommended Aniracetam - 750-1,500 mg and not Alpha GPC, why is that? or is this the new list?
Tommy, honestly I couldnt read this until today because trying to make my mind focus on a sentance made me insane! I was to the point to where I felt there was no way out and it was only getting worse. I went in and seen a hypnotherapist for positive thinking and the next day I actually cried because I could feel "me" and suddenly could see a way out. Your post makes sense and I would like to share what I have realized over the last few days. It may seem as though DP is the cause, but in reality I am one of the stricken individuals who is a master at becoming DP either through previous trauma or drugs. My cause was all of the negitive thinking that has turned my live into misery. I had become so miserable that like you are pointing out my mind seen it as a threat. Therefore negitivity was the cause of misery, which caused DP, which caused stress, worry and anxiety in every aspect of my life. I dont need any meds or to cut out everything that I love like caffine and sugar... I just need to embrace everything I do with a positive outlook. Embrace my life and keep chosing to think positivly and I can feel the DP leaving more and more through out every day! Over the last few days I even FORGOT that it was a part of me at times and when it is present it is not annoying because I know it will go away eventually. The one on one hypnotherapy actually made me feel 30% better the first day and now I am just listening to hypnosis for positive thinking when I go to bed at night on CD. Your post will help many people once they reach a point in thier minds to where they can read and comprehend. :) Thanks for helping me understand what I am dealing with in plain and simple words.
this article is so great!!!
Tommygunz that was great and inspiring. This whole time I knew I was causing my brain to react but I just didnt know how to stop it. I am so consumed on how I feel and what my body is going through that I'm not helping myself recover. I keep telling myself that I'm going to die or go crazy to the point I give myself an attack. I need to not worry about what others think, and focus on taking control of my mind. Thanks tommygunz.
You should try and get a book published? This is well written and I know you are well researched :)
Tommygunz,

Do you know which B Vitamins are the most beneficial to DP? I'm assuming B6, B5 and B12. I ask because I am taking these three separately and want to make sure I'm not missing out. Just don't want to buy a B Multi if I don't have to... save some money.

Thanks for all your help,
Erin
I would just go ahead and get a complete B complex. 3, 6, and 12 are probably the best for DP but B vitamins work in conjuction with each other, so taking a complete complex will offer better results.
Hey never have read that before!Very well putted,wish i would have read it back in the start of my DP.Hope this helps all beginners...:-)
This makes a lot of sense. Saving in my favorites. Thank you!
thank you tommy!!!!!!
Thank you for your encouraging posts. Really help a lot. Just wondering, I was doing quite ok of ignoring the dp foe weeks and I can feel that it is at the back burner but suddenly 2 days a go it is like going up to the front which is hard to ignore and it makes me cry since I was so frustrated. yesterday and last night i felt totally lost and like I am loosing my mind.This morning I am ok again. Is it normal process of recovery?

Thank you for your encouraging posts. Really help a lot. Just wondering, I was doing quite ok of ignoring the dp foe weeks and I can feel that it is at the back burner but suddenly 2 days a go it is like going up to the front which is hard to ignore and it makes me cry since I was so frustrated. yesterday and last night i felt totally lost and like I am loosing my mind.This morning I am ok again. Is it normal process of recovery?


Completely normal. i call it the recovery roller coaster. things start to improve, then backslide a little. and when it backslides it feels almost worse because you had felt better by comparison. it is likely to happen a few more times throughout recovery before balancing out to a steady clime to wellness. keap your head up and next time remember that the low periods are only temporary and good days are right around the corner.
Thank you, Tommygunz, for your extensive research on the supplements to help, or even possibly cure this hard to diagnose disorder. You have a fine mind and I encourage you to continue this great work in helping others. Are you a professional psychologist? If not, you should be! God bless you!! :-)

Your posts are always really great, and give me some positive hope. Everything you say makes a lot of sense.